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The Michigan Man 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 06:07


BY MARK SNYDER and MICHAEL ROSENBERG

FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITERS

John Beilein has accepted Michigan's offer to become its next men's basketball coach.

Beilein reached the deal late Monday, according to a person familiar with negotiations. Two others familiar with the process confirmed that Beilein had accepted the offer.

Beilein, 54, is expected to meet today with his players at West Virginia to inform them of his decision.

It's not clear whether Beilein will make a public appearance in Michigan today.

He has appeared to be the front-runner for the job since Tommy Amaker was fired March 17. But when West Virginia kept winning in the NIT -- eventually capturing the championship March 29 -- Michigan had to wait.

Athletic director Bill Martin, who did not return an e-mail asking for comment Monday night, said early in the process that he would not hold formal interviews with a coach whose team still was playing.

Beilein, described by his colleagues as an honest man with high standards of integrity, was believed to feel the same way and did want job inquiries during the NIT.

With 26 winning seasons in 29 years as a head coach -- including stops at Richmond and Canisius -- Beilein fulfills many of Martin's stated criteria for the position, including past success and recruiting within the rules. Belein has spent five years at West Virginia and has made long postseason runs in the past three -- appearances in the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament and this season's NIT title.

Although the terms of Beilein's deal were not clear, it's believed that he reached some type of agreement on the $2.5-million buyout included in his West Virginia contract.

The buyout was $3 million last year and published reports indicated that it hampered Beilein's chance to land jobs at North Carolina State and Indiana.

Tressel owns Carr 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 07:24


A 54 year old NIT champ fits the job description perfectly for UM.

MUFAN2 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 07:36


A 54 year old NIT champ fits the job description perfectly for UM.


not bad after losing your top 4 scorers the year before. And if you look at the players, they didn't have all that much talent this year IMO.

Certainly much much less talent than UM had and WV finished something like 27-9

The Michigan Man 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 07:46


A 54 year old NIT champ fits the job description perfectly for UM.

Pretty arrogant from a fan of a school that hasn't won a national championship in basketball almost 50 years. Did the 1960 Tosu NC team visit Eisenhower or JFK at the White House when they won? Were blacks allowed to play during that era? I'll have to go check out a history book from the library and get some answers...

At 54, Beilein he still looks younger than Thad Matta and Greg Oden...

Tressel owns Carr 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:11


Pretty arrogant from a fan of a school that hasn't won a national championship in basketball almost 50 years. Did the 1960 Tosu NC team visit Eisenhower or JFK at the White House when they won? Were blacks allowed to play during that era? I'll have to go check out a history book from the library and get some answers...



Now that's something we haven't heard in a while. Quick thinking Michigan Man. A better question for you would be, will all automobiles be fueled with hydrogen the next time UM beats tOSU?

UM Knife 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:13


A 54 year old NIT champ fits the job description perfectly for UM.

Who was an OT away from the Final Four 2 years ago and in a sweet 16 last year with inferior talent...

Who also beat UCLA this year...

Keep the tOSU chatter to a minimum today...

The Michigan Man 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:26


A better question for you would be, will all automobiles be fueled with hydrogen the next time UM beats tOSU?

Fact: firing Amaker and hiring Beilein is bad news for Tosu, just like hiring Tressel & Matta was bad news for Michigan.

A change in a regime that Tosu "owned" (as Tosu people love saying, apparently), ie, Amaker, is not a positive for Tosu. Beilein's resume is actually more impressive than Matta's was at Xavier & Butler - there will be an immediate improvement in the program, and it will come at the expense of Tosu, Mich St, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc.

SickOfMediocrity 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:33


A better question for you would be, will all automobiles be fueled with hydrogen the next time UM beats tOSU?

No, definitely not a better question. 50+ years. That's still the answer. Don't be mad that Oden's a bust.

He has no passion and no heart. All the hype. Sure, his numbers were good last night, but did you get the sense at any point that he was going to take over? No.

All 5 of Florida's starters as well as Richard had big impacts on the game.

Sure, Oden shouldn't have to carry a team that carried him for the entire year. But, then don't tell me he's the next anything.

He was slow back on defense, he was lazy on rebounds, he didn't box out in crucial spots.

And, he's not coming back.

Tressel owns Carr 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:41


A change in a regime that Tosu "owned" (as Tosu people love saying, apparently), ie, Amaker, is not a positive for Tosu. Beilein's resume is actually more impressive than Matta's was at Xavier & Butler - there will be an immediate improvement in the program, and it will come at the expense of Tosu, Mich St, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc.


We love saying, "owned" because it's an accurate statement. Since Beilein's resume is more impressive than Matta's then I'm sure he'll have no trouble winning at least 20 games next year and will guide UM to an outright Big Ten Championship his second year coaching, as Matta did. Any wagers?

Silver Bullet 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:42 Edited by: Silver Bullet


He has no passion and no heart. All the hype. Sure, his numbers were good last night, but did you get the sense at any point that he was going to take over? No.

Since being ignorant isn't going to stop you from talking, I'll correct you so that you sound like you know what you're talking about in the future. I watched every OSU game this year (did you?) and that is how Oden plays. He doesn't dance around or beat his chest. He plays cool and under control. It's not lack of heart or passion, it's lack of wanting to showboat.

All 5 of Florida's starters as well as Richard had big impacts on the game.
Why don't you go add up the fouls on Florida's big men. I'm sure it's a huge number. I know Noah finished with at least 3. Florida didn't have a single answer to stop Oden. They had to use a 3 man rotation, and even still were getting in foul trouble because nobody could stop Oden man-on-man. But hey, flame on!!!

SickOfMediocrity 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:50


Of course its a huge number. Who cares. That game was never close. Every time OSU went on a little mini-run?

Horford scored over Oden.
Richard backed him down.
Humphrey hit a 3.
Green hit a 3.
Noah got his panties wet.

Point is, Oden did look okay yesterday but there was no passion. He didn't scrap, he didn't push hard and didn't look like he wanted it. Maybe its that calm demeanor they say he has, but this is the title game. If he's not excited for this, then... ?

He doesn't even look like he's having fun out there.

I'm not being inflammatory. I'm actually being objective about it because I'm a Celtics fan, and in considering the draft next year, I've been saying for quite some time that I'd prefer Durant. Nothing to do with hating OSU.

Something about Oden just says that he's not enjoying himself. Does he ever look like he's even emotionally involved? He sat on the bench yesterday for only 2-3 minutes but his team hits a couple shots and he's casually watching like its a preseason WNBA matchup.

Sure, he's very talented and going to get better. Not sure he's a franchise player though.

Of course you'll all come back going on and on about how great he is and how OSU owns Michigan and how Michigan hasn't won anything and how we wish we had him. yada yada.

im just looking at oden the player. Keep your torches and pitchforks back in the barn.

The Michigan Man 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:52


We love saying, "owned" because it's an accurate statement.

Sort of childish. However, there are legions of Gators fans that undoubtedly feel they "own" Tosu, so enjoy being on the receiving end, since you love the term so much.

Since Beilein's resume is more impressive than Matta's then I'm sure he'll have no trouble winning at least 20 games next year and will guide UM to an outright Big Ten Championship his second year coaching, as Matta did. Any wagers?

As usual, you missed the point. You were belittling Beilein's record, when it was better than Mattas pre-Tosu record. Be consistent. If Matta found success with his modest accomplishments at Xavier, then certainly Beilein can find success as well based upon his track record at W. Virginia, which was a basketball wasteland prior to his tenure.

SickOfMediocrity 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:58


Since being ignorant isn't going to stop you from talking, I'll correct you so that you sound like you know what you're talking about in the future. I watched every OSU game this year (did you?) and that is how Oden plays. He doesn't dance around or beat his chest. He plays cool and under control. It's not lack of heart or passion, it's lack of wanting to showboat.

Easy there tough guy. I did watch a lot of OSU games. You're telling me that you felt he was dominant? Really? When? What full game did he just take over? How many times did that happen? How much game time did he even get in the tourney?

Yes, I know how Oden plays. I'm asking you if you think that was enough. Was he what you expected this year? Once the hand was healed, did he give you what you thought he would? You didn't expect more from him? I thought he'd do more. So, I'm asking YOU as an OSU fan. Didn't you expect more from Oden this year?

And beating your chest and acting like an @ss doesn't appeal to me. I have no problem with that. But, some passion for the game would be nice. Dunking and pulling your feet up to touch your face doesn't really mean much. He had no energy to get back on defense and had lazy fouls but had enough energy to pull himself up on those dunks.

Just look at it like it was. The rest of the team carried OSU most of the season and finally when Oden seemed to step up a little bit last night, the rest of the team failed him.. shooting...4-23 from 3? Conley has been money all tourney long. Butler and Harris did nada.

Horford had 18-12 and Oden had 25-12.

Silver Bullet 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 09:02


Point is, Oden did look okay yesterday but there was no passion. He didn't scrap, he didn't push hard and didn't look like he wanted it. Maybe its that calm demeanor they say he has, but this is the title game. If he's not excited for this, then... ?

Why would he change his style of play now, when playing how he has gotten OSU to the championship game? Oden wasn't the one hitting the 3's for Florida. He also wasn't the one missing the 3's for OSU. He was the games leading scorer and rebounder, yet you're saying he didn't do enough for his team to win because he didn't dance around. I feel like I'm talking to Terrel Owens.

Wolvrin704 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 09:07


As usual, you missed the point. You were belittling Beilein's record, when it was better than Mattas pre-Tosu record. Be consistent. If Matta found success with his modest accomplishments at Xavier, then certainly Beilein can find success as well based upon his track record at W. Virginia, which was a basketball wasteland prior to his tenure.

Not to mention he has coached in a much tougher conference than Matta did; Big East vs Atlantic 10. In fact one could almost say Big East is tougher than Big 10 in basketball.

UM Knife 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 09:07


And another Hi-jacked thred. This was about Michigan and Beilein's hire, not about tOSU losing again.

Silver Bullet 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 09:08


Easy there tough guy. I did watch a lot of OSU games. You're telling me that you felt he was dominant? Really? When? What full game did he just take over? How many times did that happen? How much game time did he even get in the tourney?

When did I say anything about dominance? I'm talking about his style of play and lack of grandstanding. And yes, for somebody that was playing 80% health wise, I did see what I expected. That fact is, Oden had one of his best games of the year, and everyone else had their worst games. It stinks, but it is basketball. If you're goal is to get me to say I'm disappointed in Oden, then you're going to be disappointed yourself. He had a good run, and with him going to the NBA next year, hopefully we can find someone to fill his shoes.

Tressel owns Carr 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 09:10


As usual, you missed the point. You were belittling Beilein's record, when it was better than Mattas pre-Tosu record. Be consistent. If Matta found success with his modest accomplishments at Xavier, then certainly Beilein can find success as well based upon his track record at W. Virginia, which was a basketball wasteland prior to his tenure.


You are avoiding the obvious comparison question, which is; will Beilein be as successful at UM as Matta has been at tOSU? He'll have big shoes to fill. It's common for a struggling program to aspire to greatness; I don't fault you for that. But let's not compare Beilein to Matta just yet. This can start after his outright Big Ten Championships and Final Four appearance in his first three years.

SickOfMediocrity 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 09:18


If you're goal is to get me to say I'm disappointed in Oden, then you're going to be disappointed yourself. He had a good run, and with him going to the NBA next year, hopefully we can find someone to fill his shoes.

I don't have a goal. I'm just asking you what you thought of his season. So, your answer was... he had a good run, and he's off to the NBA. No big deal. But, I don't think that was your stance to start the year. My guess is that most OSU fans (maybe not you) expected more over the course of the year from him.. especially when it was under the assumption that he was a 1 and done player.

As for the Matta vs. Beilein discussion. We'll see.

OSUSTEVE 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 10:11


Sick of Mediocrity:

I guess you have never seen Tim Duncan play. He shows no emotion, has won at least two MVP's, and his team (the San Antonio Spurs) have won two championships. There has to be something more about the Buckeyes basketball team you can criticize than that.

BlueBobcat 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 11:37 Edited by: BlueBobcat


I wish I ran this message board. If I did, all these trolls would have been gone a LONG time ago.

We hire a class guy (and winner) and all OSU can do is bash the guy. He ressurected a program that couldn't get anyone outside of West Virginia to even look at the school, let alone play there and they want to try and belittle him right out of the gate. Oh, and did I mention he did it in a BETTER basketball conference then what Michigan plays in. It's just another perfect example of how incredibly self conscious all these OSU fans are.

Beilein is the PERFECT coach for UM. He's a class guy, a great in game coach and a superb teacher of the game who DEVELOPS players. Sounds like a great hire to me.

Now if OSU fans could just clean the egg of their face after getting embarassed twice in 4 months (or just pull their head out of their asses) they might acknowledge that we just made a SIGNIFIGANT ugrade to our coaching staff. Just think what Beilein can do with players like DeShawn Sims. He's going to squeeze every last drop out of him.

One thing I fear is losing either of the two studs we have coming in, mainly Corperryale Harris (because he's a stud in state kid). This kid is special and can absolutely just light it up. I hope Beilein is on the phone with him as we speak. There have been rumblings he's undecided after Tommy's firing, which scares the hell out of me. In my opinion, Harris and Legion are the best NBA prospect we've landed since the Fab Five and to lose either one of them would really put a damper on things.

UM Knife 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 11:40


Actually, I think Legion is the one closer to leaving than Harris. Hopefully, Beilein can talk both of them and Grady into staying. If not the cupboard will be pretty bare next year.

BlueBobcat 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 11:46 Edited by: BlueBobcat


Well, there's been reports from Harris' AAU coach that he's going to rethink his LOI after Amaker's firing. I hadn't heard any news on Legion so I was hoping that was a good thing.

One plus (in my opinion) is that I think Beilein's hiring could really put us back in a legitimate position to steal Delvin Roe from Michigan State. Roe is exactly the type of player that would flourish in Beilein's offensive system.

MUFAN2 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 12:02 Edited by: MUFAN2


At 54, Beilein he still looks younger than Thad Matta and Greg Oden...


Not to get off subject but my God, even the super pro OSU radio stations were ripping on those two the past few days. What the hell is wrong with Thad?

he just turned 39?!?!?! I thought he finally got his big break and he was in his upper 50's and finally got his big time job.


I think they are doing all kinds of crazy growth hormone experiements with oden and thad


Come to thin of it did Oden also play on that 1962 OSU team?

Tressel owns Carr 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 13:08


Now if OSU fans could just clean the egg of their face after getting embarassed twice in 4 months (or just pull their head out of their asses) they might acknowledge that we just made a SIGNIFIGANT ugrade to our coaching staff. Just think what Beilein can do with players like DeShawn Sims. He's going to squeeze every last drop out of him.


It's not very difficult to upgrade a disaster of a program, with any luck Beeline will get you guys past the first round of the NIT's. Nobody knows who this Beilinne fella is but anyone who has been reading any major newspaper or watching CBS knows who Thad Matta is. I asked my Admin Asst. if she could name a single starter on the UM team, she couldn't, but she knew that Greg Oden and Mike Conley Jr. played for Ohio State. I'm not in Columbus either, this is Detroit.

SickOfMediocrity 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 13:09


I guess you have never seen Tim Duncan play. He shows no emotion, has won at least two MVP's, and his team (the San Antonio Spurs) have won two championships. There has to be something more about the Buckeyes basketball team you can criticize than that.

I'm glad you brought that up. Tim Duncan plays with fire and intensity but in a quiet way. But, he does show his emotion and hustle on the court in small amounts.

If you idiot OSU fans weren't so defensive and would open your ears you'd realize that I'm not being critical of the team. I'm not really even being critical of Oden. I'm pointing out what I noticed from watching him play a good number of games this year.

Its not about constantly arguing. Try and have something insightful to add or just let it go.

Why does the "I guess you've never seen tim duncan play" have to come out. Why don't you just make a point instead of being a sarcastic idiot.

As for *finding* something else.. im not searching for things wrong with OSU. I'm pointing out what was noticeable to myself and plenty of other people who are not even involved in the OSU_UMich rivalry.

MUFAN2 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 14:08


It's not very difficult to upgrade a disaster of a program, with any luck Beeline will get you guys past the first round of the NIT's. Nobody knows who this Beilinne fella is but anyone who has been reading any major newspaper or watching CBS knows who Thad Matta is. I asked my Admin Asst. if she could name a single starter on the UM team, she couldn't, but she knew that Greg Oden and Mike Conley Jr. played for Ohio State. I'm not in Columbus either, this is Detroit.


what point are you trying to make? Most of the people in my office have heard of brady quinn, but they don't like ND, we are not in indiana, etc. and ND didn't even make the NC game.

I don't see the point your making????

this is march madness, I hate and don't care much about a lot of teams but I recognize and can name you a lot of names from random teams because, well, it's march madness. Oden has been the most talked about freshman ever, duh, no kidding people are going to hear of him, and Matta is the coach that got him, duh again.

I sure as hell never heard of matta before he was at OSU...

Todd 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 14:49


Nobody knows who this Beilinne fella is but anyone who has been reading any major newspaper or watching CBS knows who Thad Matta is.

I'm having a very difficult time wrapping my brain around this one. Thad Matta was a virtual unknown when tosu hired him a few years ago. He came from similiar circumstances that Beilein is coming from. Look how that's worked out for tsou. In that case, I guess I can understand how defensive this could make you considering it's a major step in putting Michigan basketball back on the National map. Be afraid tosu...be very afraid!!! The Big 10 just got a little tougher today!

BlueBobcat 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 15:20 Edited by: BlueBobcat


It's not very difficult to upgrade a disaster of a program

So why do you give Thad Matta so much credit? I guess we'll discredit anything he's done because in all honesty, how could it get much worse at OSU before he arrived?

See how this works? This type of logic makes you look incredibly stupid, which given your track record isn't much of a surprise.

It's not a one way street numbnuts. OSU wasn't worth a crap for a long time in basketball, hell they havn't won a National Title in what, 50 years? I find it funny that an OSU fan would try to look down on our program when you guys just recently climbed out of mediocrity (like 2 years ago). If you want to call Thad Matta a savior because he turned around a crappy basketball program, why can't UM say the same about Beilein if he follows the same path? Can I get an explaination?

The entire college game is peaks and valley's, especially in CB with so many players leaving early. There are no programs that stay on top forever. Enjoy your peak while it lasts.

bigboyBlue 
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 15:28


I think this has been said before, but OSU fans basically suck at handling prosperity. Obviously this is due to newfound recent success, something they are unaccustomed to. This is also the reason for their short term memories, whether it be in their basketball or football programs.

It is too early to judge Beilein's performance anyways. They'll give him at least 4-5 years. In the meantime, all we have is his past success, and he is as good as they come. Enough said.

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