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1OSUNUT 
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# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 08:33


With fellow Big Ten school Minnesota stepping up to land Tubby Smith and New Mexico stealing away Steve Alford - will Michigan follow. Do they still have that commitment to win? The big reason why Alford is going to New Mexico is because of the drastically improved facilities - hear that facilites. The state of the art practice facilities and multi million dollar improvements to the arena intrigued Alford. Michigan needs to make a big splash. If Michigan still wants to be spoken in the same breath with the elite athletic departments in the nation major changes and an agressive attitude are needed. Watch how Kentucky replaces Smith. They will target somebody and go after them hard. Michigan in football and basketball needs to know what direction they want to go in and then pursue it hard. They have the money, alum and fan base to warrant that. They need to look at all the hot young coaches at schools like Gonzaga, S.Ill, VCU,Etc and find who they want and - GET HIM. The right young coach will serve as the foundation for which to build your program on.

ElnoLewis 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 09:30


bite me

Mike Furley 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 10:39


The big reason why Alford is going to New Mexico is because of the drastically improved facilities - hear that facilites.

Not exactly.

Try:

Eight seasons at Iowa +

Only three NCAA appearances +

One NCAA tourney victory +

Best player's (Haluska) eligibility ended after this season +

No decent recruits coming in next season +

One season left on his current contract. =


He was going to be fired anyway so he just pulled a Tubby Smith and ran for the best downgrade as possible before his neck was axed.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 11:04


bite me

Ya, what he said.

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 11:42


Watch how Kentucky replaces Smith. They will target somebody and go after them hard.

I've heard rumblings of them going after Matta. For some reason, I'm not sweating it.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 13:06


Ohio State can offer Matta much more then Kentucky. Ohio State also has an incredible incoming class the next two years and will be loaded with returners next year. Why would he leave a place where he is loved for a place with incredible pressure and expectations when it comes to basketball. Much like Tressel, Matta can pretty much get whatever he wants at Ohio State. Matta will be roaming the sidelines at Ohio State for years to come.

Michigan has no coach and run down facilities and all you can say is " Bite Me" ? Enjoy being a mid pack Big Ten program in basketball with yearly NIT bids waiting for you at seasons end. While Michigan drags their feet other schools are being agressive. Have fun picking a coach from the left overs.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 13:26


all you can say is " Bite Me"

Yup, and that is because:

1. You really aren't genuinely concerned about UM.
2. You're stating the obvious.
3. The tone of your message is just....well, obnoxious.
4. As always, you ultimately hijacked your own M BBall thread and made it about OSU/Matta/Tressel...who gives a sh!t.

Todd 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 13:35


While Michigan drags their feet other schools are being agressive.

ten-SUNUT,
How could you possibly know what Michigan's doing to hire a coach? Why don't we wait to see who get's hired. Then, at that time, if you want to bend over and talk out of your butt some more, so be it.

Motown74 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 13:38


I will go ahead and say it bite me. Worry about your own program before worrying about ours. We are doing just fine. You seem to forget that Michigan is an academic institution that does not believe in the athletic arms race that is running rampant around this country. Michigan is above that, always has, always will. When Michigan decides to spend money, it will be a well thought out process that will be the envy of the NCAA. We don't always go first but we are always BEST. Go Blue.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 14:57


Motown74:

Your full of crap. They are above that and always have been ? Seems to me Michigan and Tennesse were having an arms race as to who can seat the most people in their football stadiums. Right or wrong. That is just the kind of arrogance Michigan fans and the powers at be have. That is why your basketball program is middle of the road and your football team cannot win a big game. keep on with the old school thinking while the schools around you are improving. The more you guys drag your feet the farther it is that you will need to catch up.

Todd 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 15:53 Edited by: Todd


That is just the kind of arrogance Michigan fans and the powers at be have.

Arrogance??? Coming from a tosu fan who found a home on a rival website and leads all in posts submitted...now that's arrogance!!! Man, how can you look at the speck in someone else's eye when you have a lumberyard in your own?

I know you love to kick UM while they're down...which shows incredible class by the way. But, the football team is deep in experienced skill players which gives us a lot to look forward to this year! And, we've got a clean basketball program and just got rid of Amaker! The future looks bright from where I stand and the only direction now is up!!!

It also occured to me that if UM is as poor as you make them out to be...then all the wins in football that you so eagerly remind us are meaningless. Which would give credibility to SEC fan when they said tosu is over-rated! Also, with tosu sporting the #1 ranking in basketball, anything less than a final four appearance would be considered a failure.

I live in Memphis, and the word here, even before the A&M game is that they feel they'll match up better with tosu than they would've with Tennessee. I kid you not!!!

I'm actually a Big 10 fan through and through and am pulling for the nuts! But, this aint no Oden slam-dunk!!! These Tigers are pretty confident! Attached is a link from a local radio sports show's blog that is already claiming that the Tiger's are a lock for the final four. In fact, the exact quote is, "Memphis will be in the final four."

http://chrisvernon.blogspot.com/

gordify 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 16:25


Michigan is an academic institution that does not believe in the athletic arms race that is running rampant around this country. Michigan is above that

You must be alumni. I'm not, and don't care about anything at UM but sports. Forget graduation rates, give me wins. Pay Calipari what he wants and get him here already. In fact, I would take a few prob. years for a few more fab 5 years again.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 16:31


Memphis is a great team. I had them playing Ohio State in my bracket. Nothing is a gimme in this tourney. Ohio State had better not sleep walk in the first half like they have the last two games against the Tigers otherwise I agree they will be heading back to Columbus. The Tigers pose a problem for Ohio State just like Ohio State poses problems for them. I feel both teams are very talented, but I do feel Ohio State is a tad more battle tested. Memphis did beat a very good A&M team in their own backyard.

Im not kicking Michigan when they are down, but you guys are blind to the problems you have. Nowhere have you seen me attack Michigan or their fans by saying stuff like "You Suck" or "Bite Me". I try to present facts to back up my posts. I will strike back though when prompted. If you want to belive it or not Michigan has problems. I agree with you about the skilled players on offense this football season, who is going to tackle people on defense. Im not sure the offense can score more points then the defense will give up.

Wolvrin704 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 17:42


Ohio State can offer Matta much more then Kentucky. Ohio State also has an incredible incoming class the next two years and will be loaded with returners next year. Why would he leave a place where he is loved for a place with incredible pressure and expectations when it comes to basketball. Much like Tressel, Matta can pretty much get whatever he wants at Ohio State. Matta will be roaming the sidelines at Ohio State for years to come.

Because as you guys are fond of saying about Michigan....its a football school. When it comes to basketball very few schools are like Kentucky. If the fans love the coach he is treated like a god because at Kentucky basketball is their nirvana.

LesMilesNextUMCoach 
Member
# Posted: 23 Mar 2007 22:30


I think Martin was caught off guard by the sudden departures of Tubby and Alford. His coaching candidates were probably still in the tourney.

We've just gone from having perhaps the best situation to pick from to NOW having to wait for Kentucky to make up its mind who it wants.

Somehow, I think we'll be looking for our coach even after the Championship Game is played.

Martin was quick to hire Amaker and regretted making a quick decision. Now, he has to wait in line for Kentucky, and, possibly Iowa, to decide what it wants to do. I also think that Mary Sue is wanting to have some input on the decision after losing her right-hand woman (Amaker's wife) in the coaching change. That is only going to drag out the process.

Every day that goes by in making me think that we are going to get a mediocre candidate.

Bill, get the check book out right now and hire the WVU guy!

Mike Furley 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 02:18 Edited by: Mike Furley


I also think that Mary Sue is wanting to have some input on the decision after losing her right-hand woman (Amaker's wife) in the coaching change.

That's an interesting point you raise, Miles.

My work environment is dominated by women. I discovered after I started working there that I have little hope of moving up the ranks because I can see with my own eyes how with liberal women in charge, they don't want any strong men around under them. It's either other women or dumpy men without any spines (which makes me wonder how I came across in the interview process )

If you look at it objectively, Mary Sue has it just fine the way things are going right now. Lloyd Carr isn't bigger than her because he wins just enough to not be fired, but isn't successfull enough to overshadow her - plus his personality is such that he will never be elevated to Bo status ... something the academians always despise no matter how much money they raise for the general university fund.

Look at Bobby Knight. He practically paid for the Indiana library himself with all of the money he raised and some weenie like Miles Brand doesn't like how he is overshadowed by Knight, so he runs him out of town.

The athletic department at Michigan has been neutered. I still think the best thing Michigan can do is get some young upstart with a lot of fire in his belly and also the requisite naivety so he is as aggressive as he needs to be without worrying if he is stepping on anybody's toes. If he can get some good success going right away, then maybe he can outlast the current administration and then have the program really take off.

I like John Pelphrey of South Alabama.

Motown74 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 12:52


Your full of crap. They are above that and always have been ? Seems to me Michigan and Tennesse were having an arms race as to who can seat the most people in their football stadiums. Right or wrong. That is just the kind of arrogance Michigan fans and the powers at be have. That is why your basketball program is middle of the road and your football team cannot win a big game. keep on with the old school thinking while the schools around you are improving. The more you guys drag your feet the farther it is that you will need to catch up.


First of all it is you're , as in you are, not your. Second, please look up arrogance and notice the pic of tosu and its fans. Third, what arms race has Michigan been a part of when it comes to seats? They dropped the field and added lower bowl seats, then they took those lower bowl seats and raised them in the upper bowl. Michigan and its fans could care less about any title of the largest stadium when compared to its academic programs. When Michigan decides to open its purse strings it will send shockwaves through the NCAA. I am sure you will be the first on here to call it despicable and unfair. The media will blame Michigan for not starting the arms race but finishing it. That is what Michigan does. They don't start trends and don't go after the TRENDY hire. They bide their time and make decisions that will benefit their teams, programs, and institution in terms that are measured in generations and centuries, not years and decades. Call it arrogance, because I know you will, but it is longevity that matters in this game.

As for all of the problems you see with Michigan I appreciate your input. It is another example of you ceasing to exist if you didn't have Michigan to think about on a daily basis. How much do I think about tosu and its programs? Not nearly as much as you think about uofm's and that makes me sleep better at night.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 13:26


The powers at be have not shown anything in their actions to back anything you have said. Michigan has old facilities and old mind sets. Michigna thinks just because we are Michigan we are going to be great. That is simply not true. You need to stay ahead of the game and think beyond the current season. Other schools are being agressive in their attempt to be better. Michigan just thinks " We won in the past, we will win again". Im not so sure that thinking works in the modern era. There is so much parity in college sports and the gap is closing daily. For your sake I hope your right.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 13:42


The powers at be

Priceless


1nuts,

You just don't get it and that makes me happy. Michigan fans just don't think like you do and I'm proud of that. Trying to explain it to you is a waste of time.

Happy Trolling

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 18:31


I will be Trolling while watching the Buckeyes in the Final Four.

Tressel owns Carr 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 19:32


Please refer to us as the "Buckeyes" not " Luckeyes" for the rest of the tourny. We are your Big Ten representative.

Motown74 
Member
# Posted: 24 Mar 2007 19:33


Michigna thinks just because we are Michigan we are going to be great. That is simply not true. You need to stay ahead of the game and think beyond the current season.

You are right. It is not true that we think that, we KNOW IT. That is the difference between good right now and MICHIGAN. You are right that Michigan is not ahead of the game. You wouldn't even have all of that tosu spirit wear in your house if it weren't for the innovative thinking of a man by the name of Don Canham. He was the FIRST to see the money to be made in selling a program. Once again, tous is great at following but terrible at leading. When tosu does anything more than follow give me a buzz and maybe I will care. Until then I stand by what I have said.

OSUSTEVE 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 16:15


10SUNUT has made some good points in his posts. Wolverine fans would be wise to take some of it to heart as opposed to throwing insults at him.
Michigan in basketball has major problems...
Your new coach first has to contend with the coaching and recruiting accumen of Tom Izzo. Do you really think the new coach can come in immediately and cozy up to the Michigan high school coaches and get the top high school kids in the state to attend UM?
Likewise, good luck to the man in getting Ohio kids to head north now that Thad Matta has turned Ohio State basketball into a powerhouse.
Third, a well respected coach like Tubby Smith obviously didn't view Michigan as a marquee job. He too probably saw the recruiting problems there (not to mention the overly high expectations from the UM alumni).
Finally, facilities do make a difference. SMU lured Matt Doherty from Central Florida last year but had to make promises to upgrade facilities. Even a school like Oklahoma State is spending over $350 million in the next few years to upgrade all their facilities.

Motown74 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 20:32


Excuse Michigan for not upgrading facilities in a timely manner that is obviously not suitable enough for tosu fans. My point is simple -- when Michigan decides to make a hire or an upgrade it is not done to appease the masses or its fans it is done to make an improvement that can be measured in generations and centuries. That is what Michigan has always done and it has put them where they are. Period. End of story. As for all of these major problems that you all keep throwing out I just shake my head. What are these Major problems? Amaker was hired to do one thing and that is what he did. He cleaned up the program and did it in an uncompromising fashion. Same can be said for Martin. The next shockwave to come out of Michigan will be the resignation or firing of Martin. He did what he was brought in to do and that was balance the budget and give the University a surplus. Mission completed. Good bye. Wins and losses will come and go. They will hire a new coach whose focus will be getting more out of less and that will be that. Thank you all for worrying so much about our terrible institution. I will make sure that I share your concerns will those at the next board meeting!

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 21:35


Michigan will have to pick from the leftovers when finding their next basketball coach. They will have to wait to see who Kentucky and Iowa get before Michigan can choose a coach. Kentucky is one of the best jobs in basketball and Iowa is much more of a basketball power house then Michigan is. Why would a coach want to come to Michigan ??? Michigan State and Izzo is basketball in the state of Michigan. Rebuilding Michigan into a top tier Big Ten power is a long hard road. Now that Amaker has failed you Michigan fans say " Well he did what he was hired to do". That could not be further from the truth. He was hired to not only clean up the program, but to win. HE FAILED. Is the program clean - yes. Are they winners - not even close. They continue to be in the lower third of the Big Ten. Since when has Michigan's standard sunk to the level where they need to get "More out of less"??? I thought you were Michigan, the great recruiting machine. Im sorry that was the old Michigan - the one that had the killer instinct.

Plus 1 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 21:40


You seem to forget that Michigan is an academic institution that does not believe in the athletic arms race that is running rampant around this country. Michigan is above that, always has, always will. When Michigan decides to spend money, it will be a well thought out process that will be the envy of the NCAA. We don't always go first but we are always BEST. Go Blue.




"Now that, is a "CROCK" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that the best you can do?????? Who are you trying to snow ?????

Brianthomasbuckeye 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 22:13


athletic arms race

AAR for short. I think this is what Truman warned against in his "military complex" speeches.

check 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 22:14


For those osu fans that think the b-ball coaching job at osu is better than the job at Kentucky, what in the world have you been drinking? The Kentucky basketball coaching job is probably the 1st or 2nd most sought after coaching position in the country. That b-ball program has everything: money, prestige and history...and Ashley Judd.

Four or five year runs do not make your program one of the most sought out coaching jobs in the country. Year after year Kentucky gets the best recruits and they are a b-ball school.

If you read about Alford leaving two things should jump out at you: He was entering his last year of his contract and there were rumblings about he wanted to go to a b-ball school.

Plus 1 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 22:17


I live in Memphis, and the word here, even before the A&M game is that they feel they'll match up better with tosu than they would've with Tennessee. I kid you not!!!

I'm actually a Big 10 fan through and through and am pulling for the nuts! But, this aint no Oden slam-dunk!!! These Tigers are pretty confident! Attached is a link from a local radio sports show's blog that is already claiming that the Tiger's are a lock for the final four. In fact, the exact quote is, "Memphis will be in the final four."

http://chrisvernon.blogspot.com/








"And then what happened" ??? How did it finally come out ?
Can Memphis still spell, "overrated?"
That's what they called, Oden and the Buckeyes the day before the game.

Unlike Memphis, I don't know what will happen from here on, BUT..............
GO BUCKS !!!!!!

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 25 Mar 2007 22:17


Plus 1:

You are correct. They are a sports powerhouse untill they start losing, then they become a academic institution. If that was the case how come Harvard, Cornell, Penn, Northwestern and other so called academic institutions don't have football stadiums that seat 105,000 +.

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