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Honolulu Blue 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 19:41


http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/UPDATE/71220049 0/1131/SPORTS0201

Good move or bad one?

Personally, I wish he would have kept Jackson and Loeffler. But that's just me.

Brutus_Buckeye 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 21:25


I think I'd be a little upset if I went to school, played, and coached at Michigan to have this new guy who doesn't understand the history of the school come in and fire me.

I think he's a good coach, but you need to have some respect for the guys who have spent their entire lives at Michigan.

Plus 1 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 22:51


I thought the Loeffler guy was one of the reasons Pryor was considering adding Michigan to his list. Was'nt he the QB coach at UofM, that had close ties to Pryor's HS coach, that Pryor made mention of ?

Panzer 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 04:22


Good bye and good riddence. I don't give a damn weather or not he understands the " HISTORY" of Michigan football, I just want him to "WIN". He can write his own "HISTORY". It's a new Day

Lamb 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 05:44


While I always thought the old regime should be eliminated, I did like the idea of keeping Loeffler and Jackson for recruiting. Either way, this probably doesn't matter in the long run.

coolone07 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 07:21


I agree w/panzer. Whats the love affair with loeffler anyway? Henne actually regressed, looked better his freshman year. Michigan sells itself. I dont want average coaches/so called great recruiters. I'll take great coaches. period. The helmets, fight song, big house, tv exposure etc, that is what gets kids to UM.

Downward Spiral152 
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 07:39


its a new beginning... its good for OSU that he is starting over... it should help OSU with recruiting... but we all know RR can't do it over night or shold we expect him to

BlueBobcat 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:12 Edited by: BlueBobcat


After thinking about it last night, I think RR is a lot smarter then maybe some people are giving him credit for. Many expressed displeasure in everyone being released but after thinking about it last night, it seems to have been a POSITIVE message to all the players. Let me explain why.....

By doing so, RR is looking every current player in the eye and saying "we're doing this my way, wether you like it or not." Honestly, could he make a better statement at this point? Our teams have been sluggish, sloppy and underachieving. Guys (the staff) that helped contribute to that end result needed to be swiftly kicked out the door and they were.

Next, the last thing we want during a coaching change is all the players feeling like their spot is safe. Entitlement was thrown out the window for every single guy. "Oh, you started last year? For who? Cause I sure as hell don't see him here." COMPETITION is what sports is all about and RR essentially just sent an open invitation to anyone who wants to step up and make plays. He just told every player on the roster, "I don't care who did what last year, you better PROVE you DESERVE to be on the field because your old position coach/coordinator isn't going to be talking in my ear telling me how great you are."

RR grabbed a megaphone and yelled in everyone's ear "it's put up or shut up time at Michigan. Make plays or get the **** off the field."

Tressel owns Carr 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:24


There were some coaches that needed to be replaced in there for sure, but there were some good ones he could have used. Not a good move in my opinion, didn't he say he was going to watch the entire staff during bowl preparation before making any decisions, I guess that wasn't really the case after all.

What does he plan to do? Bring the entire WVU staff to UM? This just keeps getting better and better. If UM fans who know anything about football weren't already skeptical of this hire before, they sure should be now. You go out and hire a snake and you get what you deserve is going to be the moral of this story. Next to January 7th I can't wait for November 22nd to get here.

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:35


I think he's a good coach, but you need to have some respect for the guys who have spent their entire lives at Michigan.

How many coaches did Tressel keep after Cooper was fired?

This is about creating a system and winning, not about symbolically keeping coaches who were with the old regime.

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:41


Is this going to affect the boys who haven't commited yet?

Panzer 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:44


Rodriguiz can do what he wants, he's the boss. Old system, old coaches, old way of thinking . I'm glad he SACKED them all. I'm sure he has plenty of coaches to choose from, that is the least of our concerns. You "Suckeye" fans sure sound really concerned about whats going on up in Ann Arbor. The suspense is killing you isn't it, get used to it. It's a new Day

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:46


I love it when a Michigan troll throws the 1st stone.

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:52


Is this going to affect the boys who haven't commited yet?

You can't make coaching / personnel decisions based upon the fear of offending recruits. Otherwise, you'd never change coaches, as current players and recruits are always going to be tied to the coaches who recruited them.

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:55


Well, I'm not asking if he made the right decision to clean house, I think that was a very wise decision. I'm just wondering if the kids who were on the fence coming to Michigan and only gave verbal commitments are going to be affected by this.

Another question is are the assistants that were canned going to be coaching in the bowl? T-minus 10 days!!

Carr for President 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 09:07


How many coaches did Tressel keep after Cooper was fired?

The only coach currently on staff that was there before Tressel is the D-coordinator, Heacock. Even the director of football operations came over from Youngstown State.

So what other excuses as to why we should dread Rodriguez are there? Unproven in Big Ten play? Big East is soft? Guess what - most hires of new head coaches is about upward mobility. Urban Meyer (Utah), Les Miles (Okla. State), Mack Brown (UNC), Nick Saban (MSU - hahaha), heck even your own Jim Tressel (D-IAA) - these coaches came from lesser programs to bigger, more resourceful, collegiate programs.

Can there be unmitigated disasters? Yes, of course there is always a chance of that (Re: Nebraska). But Rodriguez has seen nothing but success at every stop he's been at throughout his career. If he chooses to stick around at Michigan for the long haul (and I am not completely convinced that he will), I think he will be very successful.

Rodriguez hasn't even coached a single game yet, and everyone is signalling his impending doom. Let's just see where this takes Michigan. If it is disaster - guess what - it's Michigan, they can and will start over if they have too. They did it with Bo in 1969 after several bad seasons, and they will do it again if necessary.

Brutus_Buckeye 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 09:28


How many coaches did Tressel keep after Cooper was fired?

Most of the coaches that Cooper had did not play or attend OSU. They didn't have the emotional attachment that these Michigan coaches have. I said I'd be angry if I was one of those guys. Wouldn't you?

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 09:57


I said I'd be angry if I was one of those guys. Wouldn't you?

Angry? What exactly do you think these guys feel they are entitled to?

Is RR supposed to put his own guys out of work out of a sense of loyalty to people who have never worked for him?

Coaches understand the nature of their chosen professions - good pay, long hours, and no job security.

BlueBobcat 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 10:12 Edited by: BlueBobcat


I said I'd be angry if I was one of those guys. Wouldn't you?

Angry? How? If my current employer wants to guarantee my contract/salary for next next year, I would gladly accept a pink slip on Christmas day. I would ask them to wrap it up in a gift box so I could open it.

These guys can spend the next year on the beach, sipping pina coladas and STILL get paid. Let me know where I can get that kind of gig.

Carr for President 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 10:16 Edited by: Carr for President


Most of the coaches that Cooper had did not play or attend OSU.

So tOSU under Tressel now only has coaches that played or attended tOSU? Listen to what you are saying here - it doesn't make any sense.

Take a look at the former Michigan assistant coaches - many of them did not play or attend UofM either - and that includes Carr.

 

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