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realschool 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:24


I have a question to ask. When did college football become so serious? It never was this way. Sure people wanted their team
to win but it was never to the point of where it is now with fans showing up to the airport to yell at their former coach,
State governors weighing in with their opinions, and people slinging mud about athletes and coaches pasts. I heard on the radio
this morning a WVU fan saying now that RR is gone everyone is going to start smearing his name and no longer protecting his reputation
in West Virginia? What's next posts about dead pro bowlers? Now that would be low.

It's just a game boys and were aren't even playing in it.

Who is to blame? ESPN non-stop coverage? Blogs? The massive amount of money involved? Or all of the above and more?

Thanks for reading and I hope I did not offend anyone with this post.

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:28


Biteth thy tongueth!! Football, beer & boobs!! What else is there??

realschool 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:30


you are my favorite person on this site.

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:45


It's about being on a national stage, promising the world, then looking for other jobs behind their back. Not only that, but leaving before their bowl game after blowing the chance for a national title. Great guy.

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:48


I can't say I blame the guy. He's going from fry cook to May I take your order guy. I can't say I wouldn't jump at a chance for a better status.

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:53


Right, but you don't announce you're leaving your team before a bowl game either. Nor do you promise them that you're not leaving, while signing some papers for the new guy behind your back. This is what college football is becoming though.

And we've seen what he does with pressure. I'd say Michigan's fans expectations are going to have a much bigger impact on him as a coach, will he rise up to it, or buckle?

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:55 Edited by: Toad


Nor do you promise them that you're not leaving, while signing some papers for the new guy behind your back.

Wait a minute...who did that again??? Link?

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:56


I don't think most UM fans (sorry for speaking for you guys) are expecting an NC year. I think they're feeling like we all were feeling when Cooper got sacked & Tressel came in. Able to hold their heads up again. It makes a better year, even if it's not a winning one, to at least be proud of the team you're rooting for. I think Rod is going to bring back their pride.

Iowa Michigan fan 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:59


Well said Sweetie. It will almost make the thrashing we are going to get from Florida less painfull.

realschool 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:01


Why shouldn't a coach leave for more money and a player leave early to get paid? With the amount of presure being put on them go for the $$.

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:11


I don't think most UM fans (sorry for speaking for you guys) are expecting an NC year. I think they're feeling like we all were feeling when Cooper got sacked & Tressel came in. Able to hold their heads up again. It makes a better year, even if it's not a winning one, to at least be proud of the team you're rooting for. I think Rod is going to bring back their pride.

Buckeye Sweetie
Well said!!!

FlaBuck 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 17:48


Does anyone think Lyodd would ask RichRod how to stop the Gators spread?

Or atleast how to contain it??

Nahhhhh Lyodd's to prideful for that

BleedingBlue 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 18:51


What Buckeye Sweetie said!

New Sherriff In Town 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 19:02


You know exactly how we feel Buckeye Sweetie. My wife is also a Buckeye and she cheers for Michigan every game but one. I feel bad about this nationial championship game. It's almost as if I don't want to watch it. I want the Bucks to win for my wife and the fact that she is a classy Bucks fan but I'm sorry to say I would also like them to lose because I am sick and tired of living in Ohio and having how great the Bucks are thrown in my face day in day out and I know a loss would silence things a bit. Seems like most Bucks fans do not know how to win with any grace and class. Look at them on this site. They just come on here to rub in their new superiority to us Michigan fans. I guess the Cooper years created alot of hatred. Right now I can honestly relate.

As for our new coach I can't believe that this guy has to put up with so much crap for taking a better job. It's not like the guy is taking a new job every other year or something. The West Virginia fans are acting like a sorry bunch. I can't imagine how hurt RR must be over all the back stabbing now coming from his home state. I know I would be. I hope he kicks it at Michigan.

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 20:37


If Carr left last year after losing to Ohio State and a couple weeks before your bowl game (before you knew the outcome) you would think that was appropriate if he picked a 'better' job? Don't tell me there isn't one, many would disagree, for the sake of argument drop your bias.

GoBlue21 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 07:54 Edited by: GoBlue21


It's not bias!!! Did you read the article on WVU officials not coming through on simple promises given to RichRod?!?! Things that other universities ALREADY DO!!! I'll post the links on here just to refresh your memory! That would be arrogance on WVU part to leave these issues that he stated last year when Alabama offered him the job on the back burner because he signed the extension from them. So they figured he was set and didn't have to solve these issues right away, PROMISES they made clear to him when he signed. I'm sorry, MICHIGAN IS A BETTER JOB THAN WVU PERIOD!!! And when WVU ignores easy requested RichRod was promised and a Bigger Better Job comes along, Why wouldn't you take it?? His buyout is going to be dropped in price because of the incompetence of WVU officials...Had Rich waited until after the BCS Bowl Game with WVU, maybe the Michigan job wouldn't be there! He left in plenty of time for WVU to get ready for the bowl game, and didn't want to focus to be on him during the bowl game instead of the players!!! You really think he did this on purpose to the players?? Is there a good time to leave?? You seize the opportunity and you go after it. If you were at a job managing people and somebody else offered you a better job at a bigger company, you wouldn't take it because of timing?? You wouldn't want to hurt your employees feelings for leaving?? Spare Me....You do what's best for you, plan and simple! WVU was dropping the ball and Michigan seized the opportunity and got RichRod. Plan and simple, a bigger and more historic university offered him a job that he couldn't refuse! They probably offer all of the stuff he was requesting already at Michigan, so it was a no-brainer! If money wasn't an issue, than happiness i'm sure played a factor and when you are promised something at your ALMA MATER and they refuse to come through then it's time to move on...That's sad for WVU, because some of the donation contributers don't blame RichRod for leaving WVU. They would have paid for his requests but apparently WVU officials were ignoring the issues and they lost a coach because of it! WVU is going to lose alot of donation money because of this and we are talking about BIG MONEY donation contributers too!!!....Oh Well, their lose, our gain!! GO BLUE!!

http://postgazette.com/pg/07352/842541-144.stm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159677

Downward Spiral152 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 08:09


this was in your article

"WVU went to the ends of the earth to keep the coach here -- and clearly, some of our major donors assisted the school in that effort," Goodwin said. "There were some very minor issues that [Rodriguez] raised with the administration -- and people were working on them. I think you will agree that the things that are being talked about are pretty minor in comparison to what has been done already.

"But he clearly was looking for an excuse to leave -- he looked last year, and again this year.

"But when he went to visit [Michigan], and then came back to campus with demands based on those minor issues -- university officials simply told him they would continue to work the issues," Goodwin said. "He was asked to focus on the student athletes and the upcoming bowl game. There's a long offseason coming up to work out those sorts of minor issues. Whoever comes in as coach will know that they can count on support from WVU on big issues and small issues."

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 08:13


There's a long offseason coming up to work out those sorts of minor issues.

The biggest issue is that WV is not Michigan. No amount of work or support from WV officials can change the difference in stature and prestige between the 2 universities.

That's why Beilen left and that's why RR left - for a better job in a better environment with more resources. Happens every day in every profession.

check 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:12


DS,

If you were to tell your buddies at pizza hut that you were staying in the back to make pizzas with them and would never sell out to the man. You mean to tell me if your boss told you he wanted you to leave the back and go up front you would not jump at the chance at the extra $1.00 an hour?

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:19


check
How's them fries comin along? I'm hungry!!

check 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:23


Sweetie,

Always good to have you here to lighten the mood.

Downward Spiral152 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:28


i have left a job for a better job in my field, and i also signed a no compete clause so when i took my new job i couldn't work in the same area and in fact i do something slightly differnt now so i'm not to break my no compete clause. So i guess if you sign something you should man up thats all. Be respectable and do what you say you will, rr never had to sign the contract. Should they pay you less if you don't win enough games? If you get fired do they have to pay out your contract?

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:32


If you were to tell your buddies at pizza hut that you were staying in the back to make pizzas with them and would never sell out to the man. You mean to tell me if your boss told you he wanted you to leave the back and go up front you would not jump at the chance at the extra $1.00 an hour?

How is that even comparable? A coaching position is a career, there was a contract involved and it's a multi-million dollar position. WVU spent millions of dollars indirectly to appease him as well, if you honestly don't understand why they are upset there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you.

That said, they should have expected this from him because he's had wandering eyes before, but that doesn't make him any less of a weasel in their eyes.

check 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:32


If you left for a better gig why are you busting his chops for doing the same thing?

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:33


If you left for a better gig why are you busting his chops for doing the same thing?

You haven't comprehended what he wrote at all.

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:34


I don't think Script's really busting his chops, I think he's trying to say that WVU is looking bad at this guy.

Downward Spiral152 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:34


i'm not i said that RR is a good pick for UM... they will win more games with him there than LC did. But he signed a contract and he knew he was going to break it when he took the job, so he should be expecting to pay for breaking it

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:36


I don't think Script's really busting his chops, I think he's trying to say that WVU is looking bad at this guy.

Thank you.

check 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:36


You haven't comprehended what he wrote at all.

Yes i do comprehend, but at the same time wonder why the grief about leaving for greener pastures when one has done it themselves. What part of that don't you comprehend?

check 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:39


I do not disagree with RR paying the buyout. You cannot blame the guy for leaving for greener pastures. I mean I could thrown in the obligatory hillbilly joke but I won't.

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