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Buckeye Sweetie 
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:28


I'll send a message to Tressel right away boss!

swoosh 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:32


Send him that special one, that will fire the boys up

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:35


Somehow I feel like even if I say "Good luck next year guys!" it'll somehow be portrayed as worry.

Script...that's the whole point. Nobody is saying that!!! Dude, saying the above would actually show class and confidence. Piling on Rodriguez just makes you look frightened!

Brutus_Buckeye 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:50


Since the naming of Rich Rodriguez as Michigan's new Head Coach, the ohio state posters on this board have done nothing but hate on the guy. Post after post of nothing but negativity!

I guessyou haven't seen the 3 or 4 OSU fans I've seen on here congratulating you on a great hire. I'm honestly not scared at all. Tressel and Heacock have always learned from mistakes and prepared well. I have confidence in them.

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:56


I guessyou haven't seen the 3 or 4 OSU fans I've seen on here congratulating you on a great hire.

Many of the congrats are usually qualified with a but on the end. Congrats on the hire, BUT......

ScriptOhio 
Member
# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 16:59


Congrats on the hire!

(Did I do good guys!?)

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 13:58 Edited by: Toad


(Did I do good guys!?)

Yeah...not very sincere if you have to ask. But, since you did...you could also add...

"Michigan, you landed a good one! I know us buck fans out there gave you a hard time during the coaching search, but you really pulled it out in the clutch. Also, we made fun of you thinking you would only hire from within the Michigan community, but instead you did what was best for your program and got the right man for the job.

Rich Rodriguez is a proven winner and should do very well for you. The Big Ten is a better conference with the step forward that you have taken. Ultimately, this is good for ohio state's strength of schedule and promises to make the rivalry much more exciting for years to come. Two great coaches like Rodriguez and Tressel, fighting it out...It just doesn't get much better! Again, kudos Michigan...we didn't think you had it in ya, but you did good!!!
"

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:00


Toad
Darlin, what kind of Nuts would we be if we were THAT nice? I'm the sweet one here & that even made me hurl!!

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:32 Edited by: Toad


(Did I do good guys!?)

Buckeye Sweetie
Hey, he asked...

In Tressel We Trust 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 01:10


Do u honestly think that us badmouthing Rich means thatg we are scared of him? Please tel me ur kidding. No matter who u hired Ohio State fans would have boad mouthed him simply because it would get u fired up...making for good conversation. Tell me...PLEASE...what we honestly have to be afraid of? We will still have the better team next year, likely giving Rich his first of many defeats to The Buckeyes. And after that it is unknown but there are some things u can look at to give u an idea, one being that Rich WILL NOT out-recruit Tressel. AND....Rich has not shown one time, other than that Sugar Bowl that he can win a big game. There is not one thing that anyone can say about the upcoming Rodriguez era that would strike an ounce of fear into any Buckeye fans. What Im trying to say is this thread is a JOKE

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:40 Edited by: Toad


Do u honestly think that us badmouthing Rich means thatg we are scared of him?

NO...of course not! It means you have Michigan's best interest at heart. This hire struck a chord with you NUTS! Keep piling on...it just shows fear!

Rich WILL NOT out-recruit Tressel.

Yeah??? Tell Pryor that! The second Rodriguez took the Michigan job, Pryor added Michigan to his list.

You trolls are grasping with you endless speculation!!!

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:43


No matter who u hired Ohio State fans would have boad mouthed him simply because it would get u fired up...making for good conversation. Tell me...PLEASE...what we honestly have to be afraid of?

Thanks for the honesty.

No one is saying you should be "scared".

But Carr, an antiquated dinosaur who was 1-6 against your coach, is gone, and replaced by a younger, progressive, 21st century coach. If you think that is a positive for OSU, you are definitely not being honest with yourselves.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:50


Ohio State has all the pieces in place to be good for many years to come. I do not see that changing as long as Tressel is there - and he is not going anywhere for awhile. We have the foundation of recruits coming in that will make our lines rock solid which is always goal #1. We also have the best strenght and conditioning coach in the nation and the facilities to match that already in place.

Michigan will be better - you hope. Nothing is for sure and many a good coach has failed. I would be concerned a bit if I was a Michigan fan that there is no Michigan Men at all on the coaching staff. Not sure I would like all outsiders running the ship. If RR gets the rivalry and buys into it, there should be some barnburners on the horizon. But if he acts like Cooper and treats it like another game (like his press conference indicated) then don't expect much sucess. Tressel eats, drinks and sleeps the Michigan game.

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 08:53


Ohio State has all the pieces in place to be good for many years to come.

Every thread is not an invitation for an OSU commercial.

Brutus_Buckeye 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 09:31


Yeah??? Tell Pryor that! The second Rodriguez took the Michigan job, Pryor added Michigan to his list.

Being added to a list is much different than actually signing a letter of intent.
He has Pittsburgh on that list for goodness sake. Does that mean that Wannstedt is a super recruit.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 09:43


Pryor has to make up his mind if he want to go to Ohio State and play on a team loaded with stud offensive linemen and skill players or go to Michigan and be part of a rebuilding process. If he goes to Ohio State he will play in a NFL style offense while Michigan will run a college only offense that will devalue his NFL stock. That is a HUGE consideration. Since Vick and Young have had little sucess in the leauge the spread / option QB's are not in high demand. Teams will take a pocket passer that can scramble over an spread / option guy. He would have a better chance at the next level under Tressel then RR.

Carr for President 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 09:47


He would have a better chance at the next level under Tressel then RR.

Exactly how many QBs has Tressel put into the NFL in seven seasons?

I can count them all on one thumb...

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 10:04


If he goes to Ohio State he will play in a NFL style offense

That is ironic since none of Tressel's QBs are running an actual NFL offense (Smith is getting a few starts because the Ravens QBs are injured / horrible - he won't be starting in 2008).

The most prolific QB of the modern era is from Michigan - if you were Pryor, would you rather be the next Tom Brady or the next Craig Krenzel?

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 10:45


How many QB's does RR have in the NFL. Maybe Pryor could be the next Brady, if you were going to run a NFL style offense. That is not RR's thing. He likes that gimick spread / option that wins alot of games, just not many big ones. He would not be considered a serious pick if he plays in college under that system. Ohio State can run multiple fomations with their offense.

Pat White is an established spread / option QB. What is his draft status as a QB ??? Would the Titans take Vince Young at #3 again if given the chance ??? Why would Pryor be any different. Going to Michigan is not going to change that. Hell, Nebraska had a kid win the Heisman running the option and he was not even drafted. He had to try out as a kick returner.

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 11:26


Being added to a list is much different than actually signing a letter of intent.

I don't disagree at all. But, the reply was based on this comment..."Rich WILL NOT out-recruit Tressel."

Pryor did not even consider Michigan until Rod took the job. Sounds to me like Rich will do just fine recruiting at Michigan.

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 11:41


Pryor did not even consider Michigan until Rod took the job. Sounds to me like Rich will do just fine recruiting at Michigan.

RR has had a success at a school without any in state talent. Meanwhile, he received the scraps from Pennsylvania and Ohio. He has had to recruit nationally, and has gotten a lot out of his recruits. He consistently takes a recruiting class outside the top 30 and gets top 10 results. It will only get better at Michigan.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 12:35


He also does it playing in the Big East. Name me one Big East team that would of contended for the Big Ten title ??? Im not saying RR sucks or that he cannot recruit at Michigan. All Im saying is that his teams were ranked high because he is in a BCS conference that is not very tough. He will attract players at Michigan - if he starts winning. It is very hard Michigan or not, ti recruit players if your rebuilding. Take Notre Dame for example. Untill Charlie Cheesburger showed up Notre Dame could not get a stud recruit unless a family member was a alum - and there Notre Dame. Kids don't want to be part of a rebuilding season or two. RR has to win and win quickly to attract the top kids to want to play for him. There are to many places a kid can go and win right now.

Carr for President 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 13:18 Edited by: Carr for President


He also does it playing in the Big East. Name me one Big East team that would of contended for the Big Ten title ???

Urban Meyer came from the Mountain West. Les Miles - the Big 12 (hahaha). Mack Brown - the dregs of the ACC (UNC). Jim Tressel - DI-AA. These coaches came from "lesser" programs and are recruiting fine. Michigan has a large network of influential NFL players/coaches/supporters that I am sure will still make Ann Arbor a popular 3-4 year destination for those wishing to pursue a career at the next level.

Also - I would hardly call an 8-4 season and playing Florida in a Jan. 1st bowl "rebuilding." Michigan, as many of you tOSU fans like to point out, has had many 3- and 4-loss seasons in the past, including the three seasons preceding the 12-0 National Championship season in 1997.

Yeah, nothing is guaranteed, but success is more likely than failure here, if Rodriguez sticks around (which again I will mention, I am not totally convinced he will), I think the program will be in good shape.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 14:08


All I'm saying is that sucess in the Big East is not the same as sucess in the Big Ten. There are greater recruiters and coaches that have made the jump to different schools or back into the college profession from the pros that are not enjoying the sucess that they are used to. RR is a fine coach but he is not at the level of a Saban, Davis or Spurrier and look how they have struggled.

All Im saying is that NOTHING is a for sure thing. We will all find out soon enough how good Michigan will be or how long it will take to be good.

rickyleach 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 14:18


LET ME ASK ALL OF YOU OSU GUYS A QUESTION.do you or do you not want rich rod to succeed and michigan back on top with your team or michigan just to be another program from yesteryear. i will be the first to say, of course it bothers me osu is better than big blue at this time , i dont lose sleep over this but get alittle frustated. their is nothing wrong with negative comments, but i dont know if you guys understand what direction michigan took.osu really isnt that much different from 15 years ago, im speaking of their system.just forget cooper and his screw ups in big games now you have tressel who is somewhat of a change, and im talking in terms of beating michigan or winning bowl games. the structure of the program is about the same , this will not be the case for michigan, WE HAVE RUN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SYSTEM FOR 25 YEARS AND OUTSIDE OF 3 YARDS AND A CLOUD OF DUST could argue 38 years.this took alot of guts to make this move and if successful will change everything in the big10, including THE GAME. as a michigan guy you have to be excited,even if osu wins next year .sure nobody wants to beat your butt anymore than me,but i choose to look at the long term and what it will do for michigan football GO BLUE.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 14:49


Just like the SEC though teams will adapt. Im sure Tressel will watch what Michigan does closly and make sure he has the scemes and players to defend and attack Michigan. I don't think anybody will be taken by total surprise because Purdue, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern have been messing with this spread thing for years now. Do you think RR's West Virgina team would run rough shot over the Big Ten ??? I don't. I want Michigan to get better and I want the conference to get better. If Ohio State continues to win it will show what a great coach Tressel and his staff really are.

rickyleach 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 14:56


you are right on with that nut.

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 15:00


I don't think anybody will be taken by total surprise because Purdue, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern have been messing with this spread thing for years now. Do you think RR's West Virgina team would run rough shot over the Big Ten ??? I don't.

RR's WV teams never had top 30 talent (nor do Illinois, Indiana, and NW, so their expiriments with the spread are not indicitave of what Michigan will be able to do with it).

RR has been able to get a lot out of the limited resources he has. Most years he was out-recruited by Miami (when they were in the conference), Pitt and BC and still won the Big East. Now he will have top 10 talent, and the sky is the limit.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 15:22 Edited by: 1OSUNUT


I don't totally buy that. Michigan has great classes (in fact better then Ohio State in most years) yet the players are not as good. Ohio State brings in alot of 3 star recruits that end up being All-Americans and NFL pros. In fact most school did not even look at Laurinitas (Minnesota did) , Malcom Jenkins and AJ Hawk - just to name a few. Look at the linebacker from Illinois. I think his name is spelled Lehman. The kid was like a two star recruit. What Im saying is that 5 star talent does not always pan out. Sometimes the kid did not reach his potential in high school for whatever reason and did not look good on tape or he over performed by playing in a weak state or leauge and looked better then he really is. Recruiting for the most part is a crap shoot. If anybody knew for sure guys like that running back Smith from I think Central Florida would never be there. Same goes for Rice at Rutgers. Sometimes its better to be lucky then good.

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 15:42


Michigan has great classes (in fact better then Ohio State in most years) yet the players are not as good

During the courting of Miles, a lot of Michigan fans were saying they wanted a coach that has been able to do more with less. That guy is RR. If you can take a class that ranks 30-50 and finish in the top 10, that is making the most out of scarce resources, regardless of the conference you play in.

WV was a win away from the NC game this year with the 53rd recruiting class (no 4 or 5 star recruits in 2004) with an average of 2.16 stars. OSU (#11, 3.08), LSU (#2, 3.38), and Michigan (#5, 3.45). Imagine what he could do with a big time recruiting class - that is reason for extreme optimism in AA.

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