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Buckeye Sweetie 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:49


How many rookie QB's start the season?

GoBlue21 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:51 Edited by: GoBlue21


Brianthomasbuckeye


I think playing for Tressel would be an advantage as well. He's done more with less

Examples: Craig Krenzel?? Todd Boeckman?? Troy Smith??(an athlete recruit who was projected to return kicks turns into a Heisman winner)

they may not be the next big thing in the NFL, but all of those kids successes can be linked to the phrase, "do more with less"


Well Pryor isn't in the "less" catergory so your point doesn't make sense!! He's not only the #1 QB in the High School but he's rated the #1 Player in High School...Teaching him to read defenses and NFL mechanics is all this kid has to learn and that's where UM has the pedigree advantage in this conversation!!!

Brianthomasbuckeye 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:53


GoBlue21

I understand your logic, but what I am saying is that if his scheme is good enough to turn Krenzel, Boeckman and Smith into leaders, then I am damn sure it is good enough to take an excellent ATHLETE and turn him into a great leader as well.

CincoDeMaizo 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:54


How many rookie QB's start the season?

I'm not sure. However, nearly all of the OSU trolls here have been hammering Mallet for his performance as a true freshman this year, calling him a bust because the 18 year old didn't play like Joe Montana. I guess the color of the uniform dictates perceptions.

Silver Bullet 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 14:58


I think that's why Pryor needs a coach who will run a system that makes him shine. Nobody's done it better than Rodgriguez these past few years. That's why Pryor immediately stuck Michigan on his list when RichRod was hired.

Do you really think that White is going to be an NFL QB? Meanwhile the only QB that Tressel has recruited and built an offense scheme around is starting this week for Baltimore.

Dude, are you kidding...UofM is quarterback "U"! Michigan has had 7 QB's start in the NFL since 94'.

Um WAS QB U. They aren't running that type of system with RR. Do you think that Brady would have done really well in this new system? How about Griese, Navarro or Grbac. RR would even recruit those guys.

Aside from the fact that Vick's in jail now...both of these guys are franchise players and are multi-millionaires.

Yep they are. How many Super Bowls have they won? How about conference championships? I guess it comes down to value. What does an NFL team value more. Winning or selling tickets. Vick sold tickets, he didn't/couldn't win games.

Silver Bullet 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:02


I think RR was a great hire for Um. He will add some excitement and creativity. He will also bring some athleticism to Um. All this is a great reflection on the B10. It's great. RR is also going to win a lot of games, with some of those, no doubt coming at the expense of OSU. My point is, that by doing all of this, he's not going to be putting the quality of QB in the NFL that Um has seen in the past. If you guys are don't believe that you are kidding yourselves.

GoBlue21 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:07 Edited by: GoBlue21


Where do you get Krenzel and Boeckman as leaders?? Leaders in College doesn't = success in the NFL! OSU doesn't produce NFL QB's, plan and simple!! Boeckman and Krenzel were QB's on a GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAM, plain and simple. I have alot of respect for Troy Smith, he was an amazing athlete and his transformation from a scrambling first QB to a passing first QB was outstanding. His size really hurts him though! Boeckman and Krenzel are smart QB's but did benefit from a stiffling defense! On the other hand, Michigan's defense struggled in the past off and on but they normally had good offensive production! They would have shoot outs (i.e. Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, etc) because their defense couldn't stop anyone but they had the firepower on offense to stay in the game, QB, RB, WR, etc...The QB coach from UM has been known to produce NFL QB's, whether they start in the NFL or not! Rich Rod can adapt the spread to fit his players advantages, if Mallet stays then Michigan will spread it out and sling it, If Pryor comes, then Michigan can throw and run...High school QB's have to see the success of players coming out of each university to the NFL...Out of the 4 schools Pryor is considering, who produces more QB's to the NFL, Michigan, Oregon, Florida or OSU???

Sparty 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:08


GoBlue21

Michigan is not going to producing quarterbacks like they used to becasue of RR

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:12


Sparty

Come on Sparty, they're Michigan! Even though that their new coach and offensive scheme would dictate that the QB would be lacking in skills necessary to be successful in the NFL, pro scouts will be smart enough to look past that. They won't be able to go through their progressions or read a defense, but hey their from f@cking Michigan.

GoBlue21 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:16 Edited by: GoBlue21


Sparty

Well that depends on what kind of QB's he's going to recruit! If Pryor is considered the next 'Vince Young' than he will go pro...I have to believe that Loeffler will have some say if RR keeps him on the staff of what kind of QB he would like to coach...I know I sound crazy because this is RR team but Mallet can really benefit from RR offense. He ran a spread shotgun offense in high school. Texas Tech, Missouri, Hawaii all light up the scoreboard and Mallet is definitely good enough to sling the ball around with his arm!! We will have to see what kind of QB's Michigan is looking to recruit in the future before we make that assumption. Pryor is a one of kind type QB that can run and throw. His size and athletic skill makes this guy a phenom. Any college football team would love to have this guy. It's hard not to pass on him...

Toad 
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:16


Um WAS QB U. They aren't running that type of system with RR. Do you think that Brady would have done really well in this new system?

"UofM was QB U" is a very speculative statement to say the least. Who knows really...one can only suspect at this point. And just because Brady wouldn't do well in RR's system doesn't mean that Michigan QB's aren't NFL prospects anymore.


Yep they are. How many Super Bowls have they won? How about conference championships?

Well, you've got to consider their teams too. In addition, Vince Young is just getting started. So the jury's still out on him.

Buckeye Sweetie 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:17


CincoDeMaizo
I'm talking Pro rookies.

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:18


Michigan is not going to producing quarterbacks like they used to becasue of RR

A highly generalized speculation!

Brianthomasbuckeye 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:19


If i were him, personally, I'd go to Florida, but he wants to stay close to home. thus, PSU, UM, OSU WVU (was) on his list. Oregon and Florida are great choices in certain respects, but his momma isn't big on traveling I guess. Its going to be interesting to see where he lands.

If OSU doesn't get him, its a loss, but its OK.

If UM gets him its a huge bonus for UM and sh*tty for OSU.

If UM gets him and takes OSU's OL recruits with him...I'm to be one pissed off MOTHERFOCKER!

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:20


Well, you've got to consider their teams too. In addition, Vince Young is just getting started. So the jury's still out on him.

Agreed, but that kind of damages everybody's argument that Troy is a bust correct?

As far as Vick, I don't think he was ever going to be able to ever develop into an effective QB. He was awesome to watch, but you've got to be able to throw in the NFL. I don't think he was much of a film-studier, so that also hurt. I think if he was an AFC QB he would have had an even worse record. That's why I think Young is struggling so much.

GoBlue21 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:22


If OSU doesn't get him, its a loss, but its OK.

If UM gets him its a huge bonus for UM and sh*tty for OSU.

If UM gets him and takes OSU's OL recruits with him...I'm to be one pissed off MOTHERFOCKER!


I wouldn't blame you!!!

BlueBobcat 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 15:27


Yeah to bad he cannot play DB. He was not the one who gave up a 68 yard TD in OT. He was the reason they got into overtime to begin with.

Gauging a guys talent against one of the worst teams in NFL history is so utterly pointless.

Toad 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 16:07 Edited by: Toad


Agreed, but that kind of damages everybody's argument that Troy is a bust correct?

I guess you could look at it like that. That's not my feeling though...I just don't want to be considered a Troy Smith hater.

But, for all intents and purposes, it's apples and oranges. Vince is a top draft pick, franchise QB. Troy is a fifth rounder, third stringer who got some playing time due to attrition.

OSUSTEVE 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 16:16


Pryor is considered the next Vince Young.

Vince Young was very mediocre his first two years at Texas. Only in his third and final year was he great.

Brian is right. I would be fine with losing Pryor as long as long as we get the OL recruits.

Brianthomasbuckeye 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 16:18


Look at Texas's offense...

It was versatile with V. Young there. It wasn't a HS offense like Oregon or WVU. It maximized Young's talent, but was a system that was still semi-pro in nature.

I can just hear Bellotti or RR now, "terrelle, we are going to use a lot of gimmick plays, shotgun Play action and 5 wide sets. If nobody is open, run. If somebody is open, but it might be intercepted run. If all else fails, reverse field and juke somebody. That will prepare you for the NFL"

UM + OSU + PSU would best use Pryor as a great athlete in a semi-pro system. 4 years of "Bellotti Ball" wouldn't give him the skills at the next level. If he wants to do what he did in HS then maybe he should go to OR or FLA...IMO

morgantrentforheisman 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 17:31


who cares about the NFL? this is a college fan message board.

rickyleach 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 17:38


why dont we give RICHIE BOY a season or so before all this talk. does anyone have the NFL NUMBERS FROM THE rr era at WV the thing i see with RRS teams is he makes guys better college players , which doesnt equate to great pros. in the 7 years RR was coach at WV they never had a recruiting class better than 26, so he must be pretty darn good.

Brutus_Buckeye 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 21:44


Yeah - I noticed he was QB against Miami in their first win of the season...

He was the one that drove them downfield to tie the game up.

If I replaced Smith, I would be the best QB on that roster.

No, you are just a wannabe on a message board.

If Pryor has NFL aspirations, why go to OSU? Let me know when the 1st Tressel QB starts for an NFL team.

Since he's only had two QB's that he's recruited that have graduated I think he's done pretty good. Especially since Smith was signed as an athlete and played RB and SP teams at first.


Pryor is going to Florida they have everyting and more then these two universites can offer


Like what?

Sparty 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 21:46


Like what?

Playing time Warm weather a spread offense.

Brutus_Buckeye 
Member
# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 21:54


Playing time Warm weather a spread offense.

Florida has a billion QB's. Michigan and Ohio State offer better playing time.

Warm weather, yes. He's a northeast kid so I hope he 's used to the cold.

Spread offense. Michigan has that now. Ohio State will adapt to his talents.
If I were him Florida wouldn't be in the top two.

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