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Bo Schembechler 1929 - 2006

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# Posted: 28 Apr 2007 16:11

A few comments on the Lions draft so far.

First, I don't think that Millen is entirely to blame for the Lions situation. It isn't like the Lions are a franchise with a history of winning. The one constant is the Fords, who, by the way, seem to also have trouble running a car company.

That said, I think Calvin Johnson is a good pick. He's by all accounts the best player in the draft and probably would have gone number one if the Raiders weren't so desperate for a QB. The Lions weren't desperate enough to take Quinn, so they get the best player in the draft. He's a hulk who runs like a little guy and apparently has the character of a Jerry Rice -- a freak of nature. I don't have any problem with the pick.

Best case scenario: Calvin gets double coverage, leaving Roy open more often. That also leaves more space for the running backs. And all of that may take a little pressure off the QB.

Yes, he's the fourth WR #1 in five years. But that doesn't mean that they should have shied away from taking the best player available.

Further, they need someone to take the place of Charles Rogers. That was just pure bad luck there, not a bad move on Millen's part. Everyone should remember that Rogers was by consensus a great pick. I remember all of the analysts saying how good it was. Roy Williams also was hailed as a great pick. (No one could figure out the Mike Williams thing, though. Millen made a boneheaded move there)

More important than this number one, however, will be what they do with the later round picks. The Lions have a lack of talent at so may positions ...

As for the QB situation, apparently Martz sees several QBs in the later rounds that he really likes. Considering what he did with Warner and Bulger, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there.

The Michigan Man 
# Posted: 28 Apr 2007 16:59

That said, I think Calvin Johnson is a good pick.

Kitna - over 4,000 yards passing. Pretty good. However, he was sacked an astounding 63 times. Johnson may be wide open or double-covered, what does it matter if Kitna is lying on his back staring at the ceiling of Ford Field. Getting Joe Thomas would have been my choice. BUt then again, maybe I'm not as smart as the other MM, Matt Millen

# Posted: 28 Apr 2007 23:56

At first I thought Joe Thomas would have been the best pick. But by draft time I knew Calvin Johnson was the can't miss pick. He's simply too good of a talent to pass up. He's the closest thing to Jerry Rice that I've ever seen. There will be a Barry Sanders' type of atmosphere at Ford Field if this guy is as good as he looks on film.

I absolutely loved the second pick with Drew Stanton. As much as I hate MSU, just seeing a local guy who I remember watching in high school who probably grew up a Lions' fan like the rest of us around here made my day. I truly believe if Stanton had played for a school like Michigan or OSU he would have been one of the better ones and would have been drafted in the first round.

The rest of the picks I'm not sure about.

# Posted: 29 Apr 2007 00:19 Edited by: bluefan

I'm in total agreement with editor and goblue. The Lions did some FA moves for the O line so hopefully they'll be worth a sh!t and Johnson looks unbelievable. The Stanton pick was solid as well. Let's hope Martz works a little STL magic this year.

# Posted: 29 Apr 2007 00:47 Edited by: PinballPete

My thoughts on CJ as the Lions first pick notwithstanding, I'm left scratching my head after what I consider a debacle of a second round.

The Lions first four picks end up in the top 61 of the first two rounds and it was no secret that the so-called pro football team in Detroit needed, most notably, a defensive end, a cornerback and a middle (or any) linebacker, and oh yeah, Martz wants to develop a QB.

First, they accept the trade with Buffalo, which I understand that helped them get back in the second round with the picks they got, but they miss out on position need players like LB Paul Posluszny, S Eric Weddle, CB Chris Houston, the TE Zack Miller (no Pollard this year), and a few notable O-lineman if you want to argue that need as well.

Drew Stanton becomes the second pick of the Lions after two QBs are taken ahead of him in the second round. Probably a panic move, but hey, he's a 'hometown' kid who will be popular right? but this is not going to be a starter on a team with many holes. They subsequently lose out on: CBs Eric Wright (a character issue, so, OK) and Josh Wilson; LBs David Harris and Justin Durant; and DEs Woodley, Tim Crowder, and Victor Abiamiri, until they draft DE Ikaika Alma-Francis. From Hawaii, Alma-Francis is considered a gifted athlete but the fact that the previous two picks were DEs also, points to another panic move.

They probably screwed themselves out of being able to get more out of their picks by what I believe to be panic moves, and that QB Trent Edwards was left on the board after round two is evidence of that. Gerald Alexander fits need, not a dire need, but a need. He was also expected to flourish in a zone scheme. So he seems alright.

When the dust settled after day one of this years draft the Lions will most likely come away with only one definite contributer, a question mark in Alexander, and two developmental players. They did more with less than that last year. Same old sh*t, right? I don' think I'll ever get over the Lions. I tried apathy and it didn't work.

# Posted: 29 Apr 2007 06:57

Once again MM fucks it up. Drew Stanton!? WHY? With all the needs they have, they pick....Mr. Gives up on his team when things don't go his way Stanton? Unfrickin belivable. We don't NEED another backup QB! We NEED ILB, T, 2 CB's, G, DE, SS, FS. If MM really wanted him, he should have traded down again because NOBODY was talking about drew going any time soon! He could've go thim around later. I would say this is the worst pick since MM took over. But hey, last year he wasted a second rould pick on a backup rb. Wow.

The Lions did some FA moves for the O line so hopefully they'll be worth a sh!t

A bunch of career disapointments and guys that spend more time on the IR than on the field.

# Posted: 29 Apr 2007 13:11

Some other interesting developments in the NFC north took place in the draft. Adrian Peterson goes to Minnesota, the Bears get the best TE in the draft, and the Packers still didn't get help for Brett Favre.

Peterson will be a beast behind a line that features Steve Hutchinson and made Chester Taylor a 1200-yard RB last year. The Bears acquire another one of the best ways to attack a cover 2 defense, a TE who runs a 4.5 and is taller than all of Detroit's LBs and Ss who should be scary in the seam and down field if Rex can get him the ball. And then there's the Packers, sorry about your luck cheeseheads but sit seems GB is in no hurry to add talent to your offense. Meanwhile these teams are also all looking at their CBs and probably having nightmares about Calvin Johnson.

# Posted: 29 Apr 2007 22:21

Once again MM *ucks it up. Drew Stanton!? WHY!

I'd have to say for about four reasons. Three good ones and one that has to do with familiarity.

1. Willingness. QB Josh McCown wanted out of Detroit. It's going to be hard to find a solid veteran QB who would want to back up Kitna, who really isn't that good. I thought it was worth the risk to take an underated talent such as Stanton, who won't have a problem backing up Kitna.

2. Talent. I really believe Stanton could be the sleeper of the draft. He didn't have much talent around him at MSU. If he had been on a top ten team for four years I think he would have been a mid-first round pick. Should be able to showcase his talent if given the chance now that Detroit should have about the best receivers in the league.

3. Character! This guy is tough. Loves football and won't be afraid to run for first downs. Won't punk out like Harrington did. He fits the mode of a blue collar town such as Detroit as well as Coach Marinelli's mentality.

4. Familiarity. Probably the least important. But lets face it he is the hometown kid. If I had a group of players I could draft that all are about even, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the hometown kid. Someone who grew up watching these pathetic Lions like the rest of us. Someone who would absolutely love playing for this pathetic organization. Like the old saying goes it's not what you know but who you know.

# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 00:17

The way I'm going to look at it is that, Stanton will have to prove he's better than the last local QB that Detroit took with a second-round pick. I'm talking about Mr. Deer-in-headlights himself, Charlie Batch.

# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 05:32

He didn't have much talent around him at MSU.

So how will it be different now?

Tressel owns Carr 
# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 10:40

Can't blame them for taking a homegrown kid. Watch Drew have a great NFL career. Of course I'm biased because he played in our H.S. league. The Lions have had terrible luck on their 1st round picks so they are way overdue for a pleasant surprise. Maybe Drew will come through for them.

# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 10:45

Drew will come around, he was offered the starting job at UM remember. He shot himself in the foot by going to MSU, but this should work out for him, esp with CJ to throw to now.

# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 11:03

Drew will come around, he was offered the starting job at UM remember. He shot himself in the foot by going to MSU, but this should work out for him, esp with CJ to throw to now.

also don't forget R. Williams. That dude's a stud!!! And if Tatum Bell can stay healthy...we should have a decent run attack as well if this O-line can make it happen.

# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 16:46 Edited by: goblue

So how will it be different now?

It probably won't be that much different unless the Lions can turn it around. But you could say that for just about any qb that comes to Detroit. It's the chance that you take.

But I do think that a qb has a better chance of succeeding now than before with Martz as offensive coordinator. Plus with Furrey, R. Williams and now Calvin Johnson at the wideouts the chances of a qb succeeding are even better.

# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 19:23

But I do think that a qb has a better chance of succeeding now than before with Martz as offensive coordinator. Plus with Furrey, R. Williams and now Calvin Johnson at the wideouts the chances of a qb succeeding are even better

I hope so. I really do. I hope Stanton proves me wrong and becomes a good NFL QB. I just don't see it.

Bo Schembechler 2006 
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:40

Give Drew Stanton a chance.


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