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bigboyBlue 
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2007 10:44


So #2 in the NHL, #1 seed in the Western Conf for the playoffs against Calgary, a team they've struggled with this season. Anyone else (Wings fans only please) feel the stage is set for another colossal, 7-game first round loss this year?

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 10 Apr 2007 06:23


Calgary was a tough draw in the 1st round, and bounced us a couple of years ago (but then went to the Stanley Cup Finals & lost).

Supposedly the RWs are going to be a better playoff team, with the ability to clinch and grind it out a little more, as unfortunately that is the way the playoffs are reffed in the NHL for some reason. If Betman is looking for a way to increase NHL numbers, why not allow the players to skate? Pretty stupid...

It will be sad not to see Yzerman and Shannahan- I think we almost took those guys for granted.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 10 Apr 2007 10:13


Calgary was a tough draw in the 1st round, and bounced us a couple of years ago (but then went to the Stanley Cup Finals & lost).

As did Edmonton last year. They have been losing to genuinely good teams that somehow catch fire in the playoffs. Hopefully they will carry the momentum of thwacking Chicago a few days ago. The first two games are at home, which should help trememdously.

I'm actually looking for Datsyuk to step it up a bit, he's had a scoring drought lately but hopefully that shiny new 6-yr contract motivates him.

tiredoflosing 
Member
# Posted: 10 Apr 2007 11:30


Another first-round-and-out would really hurt.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 15 Apr 2007 17:25


So far so good. I can't tell if we are playing really well or Calgary is playing really bad. Maybe a bit of both.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 15 Apr 2007 17:56


They mostly capitalized on penalties today, nice job. Hopefully this series will finish in Calgary.

Oh, and here's a 'hell yeah' for Marty Turco, Ex-Wolverine and Dallas goalie playing today as well. His last effort was a shutout.

tiredoflosing 
Member
# Posted: 16 Apr 2007 07:53


what is Calgary's game plan, are they are trying to out muscle the Wings? It's not working. and yeah, so far so good...

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 09:42


Nice win last night, exactly what those bastard Flames deserved. What a bunch of cheap shots and sore losers they are!!!!

tiredoflosing 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 12:07


aint over yet but yes, it was nice. Let's finish this round!

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 12:40


tiredoflosing
This round is over yo...Wings win series 4-2, await either Tampa Bay or NJ.

tiredoflosing 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 12:42


holy crap I missed the last game?! I see it was yesterday, I didnt know... I didnt know!

Detroit Blue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 13:53


This round is over yo...Wings win series 4-2, await either Tampa Bay or NJ.

Tampa Bay or New Jersey? You do know that the series between those ended yesterday with New Jersey taking it. Another useful tip of info is that those two teams are in the Eastern Conference. Detroit being in the Western Conference has two more rounds to go before they can even entertain the thought of playing New Jersey.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 13:56


Detroit Blue

Quite, right, this thread is all confused today. Its either San Jose or Dallas.

Detroit Blue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 13:59


Yep. I hope it's Dallas. Game seven of that series is tonight. Go Stars!

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 14:03


Yep. I hope it's Dallas. Game seven of that series is tonight. Go Stars!

Me too, I don't care much about Dallas but Turco deserves a good run. Two straight shutouts!!!

If they do play the Wings next, I'll have a hard time rooting against him.

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 19:01


Me too, I don't care much about Dallas but Turco deserves a good run. Two straight shutouts!!!

I'm a big fan of Turco, he is a Michigan man, but I hope if Detroit plays Dallas, they sweep them. His individual glory means a lot less to me than Detroit winning another cup.

check 
Member
# Posted: 23 Apr 2007 22:15


I am hoping Dallas makes it through, the Wings match up better against them than they do with SJ. A series with San Jose would be another grinding series. Plus I would prefer SJ and Anaheim beat each other up for 6 or 7 games.

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 24 Apr 2007 05:21


A series with San Jose would be another grinding series. Plus I would prefer SJ and Anaheim beat each other up for 6 or 7 games.

We get SJ - will be a tough one, I think they beat us 3-1 in the series this year.

I like what I saw in the Calgary series, with Zetterburg & Datsyuk getting on track with scoring, Bertuzzi starting to play well, and Hasek looking great. I think Detroit in 7 games.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 24 Apr 2007 10:06


Too bad for Turco, I thought he still had a very good game. The last two goals were empty netters anyways, and that game winner just trickling in....well, could happen to anybody. I just feel bad that his playoff jinx continues.

Also, whytf didn't that Flames guy who landed that cheap punch to the face on Lebda in game 5 get disciplined? Lebda had a concussion and may be out for the SJ series, which blows!!!

check 
Member
# Posted: 25 Apr 2007 22:26


Lebda is out more for the "lower body" injury than he is for the concussion. Everyone is picking the Sharks to win this series. I am looking for the Wings to come out fast in the first game. If they can find space and control the puck SJ is in trouble. If SJ can clog the middle and make it a dump and chase series the Wings will struggle.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 26 Apr 2007 21:21


Well that kinda blew, losing at home and all, although its hard to tell whether the Sharks just got lucky, they only got 17 shots other than the goals. Will just have to see how the second one goes, but nothing is gonna come easy in this series.

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 3 May 2007 06:22


Wow, what a great game (even though it didn't finish until 1:20am. I won't go into a tirade about Detroit being in the Western Conference and having game starting at 10pm Eastern, I'm too tired).

Detroit clawed its way back from the brink of elimination, which would have surely followed a 3 games to 1 deficit to SJ.

Hopefully Detroit can gain momentum from this and come out strong on Saturday. Go Wings.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 3 May 2007 08:05


I was up watching, un-fing-believeable. May I just say this series is giving me ulcers; each game is soo hard!!!

I'm glad they're back in Detroit now, I have a good feeling about home ice this time. Go Wings!!

tiredoflosing 
Member
# Posted: 4 May 2007 14:51


I've bitten all my fingernails off, had a minor heartattack or two and lost 20 lbs due to stress.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 6 May 2007 08:26


FINALLY a nice, commanding win, now that is what I'm talking about!!! And Pavel's steal on the forecheck was a thing of beauty!!!

Oh, and check this out, some funny ****

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiGCHsLPdE4

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 6 May 2007 11:14


FINALLY a nice, commanding win, now that is what I'm talking about!!! And Pavel's steal on the forecheck was a thing of beauty!!!

Detroit is a total different team with Holmstrom playing. He had a key goal in game 4 and his line was unstoppable yesterday.

I think Detroit will wrap it up on Monday, and then to the conference finals against the Ducks.

Oh, and check this out, some funny ****

I agree!

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 8 May 2007 06:29


Great game last night. Lidstrom is amazing, that save he made on the open net probably won the game - if he doesn't win the Norris trophy again I'll be shocked.

Now, another brutal west coast series. Here is a good article on the grind that be a eastern time team in the Western conference is. I think the solution is to split the conferences up like MLB, with 3 divisions in each, with each division in a different time zone.

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West pays toll on playoff road
Less travel gives advantage to East
May 7, 2007

BY DREW SHARP

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

The game-every-other-day pace gives the Stanley Cup playoffs its steady rhythm, a beat that accelerates the deeper you get into a series, when endurance becomes a factor.

That's great! The playoffs should resemble a marathon where endurance is as valued as skill, but there's an injustice when the other guys are running what basically amounts to a sprint.

Eastern Conference teams possess a sizable advantage over their Western Conference counterparts because of the much easier travel load.

Since you can't uproot cities and move them closer to each other, perhaps the only alternative for the NHL is mandating two days between Western Conference playoff games.

The East has won the three Stanley Cups since the Wings' 2002 championship. And it's not a coincidence if you look at the vast disparity in travel distance between the respective conference champions on the road to the finals.

And should recent history prove clairvoyant, the Wings are doomed.

The road less traveled has proved more successful.

Once the Wings return home from Game 6 tonight at San Jose, they would have traveled 14,584 miles in two visits each to Calgary and San Jose. The two Eastern Conference finalists, Buffalo and Ottawa, have combined for 3,400 travel miles through the first two rounds.

The operative word there is "combined."

The Sabres have yet to depart their own state, for crying out loud, getting the New York Islanders in the first round and the Rangers in the second. Ottawa had nothing more than a 400-mile trip to Pittsburgh.

And only 236 miles separate Ottawa and Buffalo.

Should the Wings advance to the Western finals against the Anaheim Ducks, they're looking at a 1,929-mile flight to southern California. If that series advances to a sixth game, the Wings will have logged 22,300 miles of travel.

That's insane, but even worse, it tilts the competitive balance to the Eastern Conference.

"You can't let those things make a difference to you," said Nicklas Lidstrom following the Wings' 4-1 Game 5 victory over the Sharks on Saturday. "I think we do a pretty good job of keeping guys as fresh as possible with this kind of travel schedule, but there's nothing you can do about it.

"We're constantly playing in two or three different time zones than what we're used to. But that's just the way it is and we have to work through it."

It's a constant argument here that Detroit has no business in the Western Conference. I discussed this with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman when he was in town last January for Steve Yzerman's jersey retirement ceremony.

Bettman told me that new hockey fans over the last 10-15 years have grown accustomed to the Wings playing a more Western-biased schedule, and they don't want change. I reminded him that those of us who grew up in Detroit are accustomed to seeing the Wings more closely associated with the Original Six franchises on the schedule.

But this isn't merely a provincial disagreement. There's a more centralized concentration of Eastern Conference teams than Western Conference teams. Of the teams that made the playoffs, six of the eight Eastern cities were within 500 miles of each other; in the West, only San Jose and Anaheim and Calgary and Vancouver were less than 500 miles from each other.

It doesn't matter how nice these teams fly in customized jets -- regularly spending three hours or more at 30,000-plus feet above sea level inevitably takes a physical toll.

In 2003, Anaheim averaged three times more travel mileage than the eventual Cup champion New Jersey -- an average of 1,568 miles between the cities in the Ducks' first three rounds to an average of 474 miles in the Devils' first three rounds.

It wasn't much better last year when Western Conference representative Edmonton logged an average of 1,429 miles between the cities through its first three rounds, while inevitable Cup champion Carolina averaged 541.

The average distance gap between cities was only a little more than 100 miles between Calgary and Tampa Bay in 2004, but the Lightning only made one flight more than 1,000 miles (Montreal) through the conference finals that spring while the Flames made four separate 1,000-plus mile trips in the second and third rounds against Detroit and San Jose.

If the Wings make it the Stanley Cup finals, the average distance between Detroit and Calgary, San Jose and Anaheim would be 1,872 miles -- or basically, a four-hour flight.

That's a disadvantage that a simple one-day breather can't cure.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 8 May 2007 10:36


Samuelsson's line got it done last night. I'm still a little concerned about the defense though; Lidstrom and Chelios (at 45) played almost 30 mins and took quite a bit of deliberate roughing too, something I'm sure other teams will keep doing. Hopefully Lebda will pick up some of the grunt work as he progresses, I can see he only tallied 12 minutes yesterday.

And I agree tMM, as fun as it is watching the Wings play, I for one would prefer not to be awake till 1am watching overtime action. You would think that Detroit being the great hockeytown that it is would be able to throw their weight around and affect some change.

bigboyBlue 
Member
# Posted: 11 May 2007 21:30


Anyone watch today? I didn't but can see we won. Someone give me details, please!!

check 
Member
# Posted: 13 May 2007 22:16


After watching game 2, I guess it is okay to shove the goalie into the net and if the puck goes across it is a goal. Worked for the Ducks on the goal that tied the game.

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