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Brianthomasbuckeye 
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 10:04


Let me get this off my chest. Brady Quinn is one hell of a guy and I wish him the best. It's too bad he played for the The Fighting Overrated in college.

Having said that, am I the only one who feels that this guy is not a top 5 NFL draft pick? The Cleveland Plain Dealer had an article talking about how the Browns are leaning towards understandably Joe Thomas/ Adrian Peterson. But the shocker to me was Brady Quinn?????

The Lions and Browns are #2 and #3 in the draft and I feel that if the Lions draft Quinn you are in for another Joey Harrington debacle. Same with the Browns, why draft Quinn if you don't have an offensive line? What difference does it make who gets sacked?

I'm interested to see what Lions/Browns fans think of their teams drafting Quinn. I understand that College is different from the pros and teams draft position players that they need, but is Brady Quinn a winner? He wasn't blessed with great talent at ND (except Jeff Samardzija) so can he be blamed for mediocraty at the college level? We all know Charlie Weiss builds his offense around the pass and Quinn accumulated some quality stats, but I'm not convinced he is a Top 5 pick and worth $57 million.


2004-2006 seasons Quinn had 12 losses. Never won a bowl game and only 3 quality wins: #7 MICH 04', #3 MICH 05' and #11 TENN 04'. Notre Dame got thumped with him at the helm against top college programs. He doesn't hold a candle to the kid from LSU or previous picks such as Leinhart and V. Young and I'll even say Jay Cutler.

Bottom line: I feel whichever team drafts Quinn and doesn't have the line to protect him is going to be in for some serious fan dissapointment. If Quinn goes later in the draft to a team that has a decent O-line and receivers he has a better chance of being a good pro QB. If the Browns or Lions draft him witht the #2 or #3, he'll have more concusions than TD's. What say you?

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 10:09


In some other article I was reading, they were saying a lot of the same things. But then they laid out some of the scores in some of the "Big Games" that Quinn played in. On average, it looked like the defense was giving up something like 40 points on average. I don't really think Quinn can be blamed for that. I don't like ND at all, but I do like the Browns. Their offensive line wasn't great, but it isn't as bad as everyone wants to believe. When your QB is holding the ball for 7 seconds, he is going to get sacked. I watched every Browns game this year and I really think a majority of sacks were because Frye can't read defenses.

Brianthomasbuckeye 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 10:22


I agree to some extent, but would Quinn step in and make a difference? Quinn was sacked 30 times at ND last season. Jamarcus Russel was sacked 15 times. I think a #3 pick in the draft should be able to help the team right away (maybe not in everycase for a QB), but the Browns and Lions need more help than a 3-4 year project QB like Quinn. JOE THOMAS IS A BEAST OF NATURE!!

I watched every Browns game this year and I really think a majority of sacks were because Frye can't read defenses.

And when he did get off the pass Braylon Edwards dropped it.

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 10:30


And when he did get off the pass Braylon Edwards dropped it.

I think I hate the guy more now that he plays for MY team.

I think the Lions take Thomas after Oakland takes Russell. I would like to see the Browns take Peterson with their first pick and then pick up linemen with every other pick.

Did you see Gonzo ran a 4.4 and his stock dropped significantly? Wonder if he's rethinking his decision to go pro in a year packed with good WR's?

editor 
Admin
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 11:55


The Lions number one need -- after an o-line -- is at running back. Kevin Jones is broken, and IMHO, never was a real good NFL prospect to begin with. In college, he was able to amass a lot of yards in the Big East by running the sweep, outrunning the defensive ends and linebackers. You can't do that in the NFL. A good NFL back is one who can take it straight to the interior holes. Jones has never shown that (Of course, that could be because there ARE no holes with the Lions o-line.)

Jimmers 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 12:01


The Lions number one need -- after an o-line


I think they should definitely trade their draft pick and try to stack up on the offensive line. I'm not all sure who is out there, but we need way more depth in that area. If we can establish some strong blocking, I think the skill positions will all fall into place.

tiredoflosing 
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 12:59


The Lions number one need -- after an o-line -- is at running back. Kevin Jones is broken, and IMHO, never was a real good NFL prospect to begin with.

Thank you! I've been saying that to everyone at work and I get blank stares.

After a o-line and a RB I hope they go for a CB/SFTY's

But I also thought Quinn was a little more overrated then he played. Hes good but not 'that' good to go in the first round.

Ah but what do I know, I liked Ryan Leaf...

Jimmers 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 13:04


Ah but what do I know, I liked Ryan Leaf


"KNOCK IT OFF!!!"

MUFAN2 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 13:59


who knows but I do know russell is going to be a bust for my raiders. Everyone is singing his praises because of the damn bowl game. Am I the only one who watched him over his career???

Russell made sh*tty decisions all the time. He gets mad a lot, has a bad temper, and loses focus all the time. You get him down and he just gets whiney, makes bad decisions and shuts down.

Now he is getting way way over weight. Word is he hasn't been working out, just eating like a horse. I saw today his weight is now pushing 270.

He was 255 at the bowl game. I don't think brady is any better, but I don't think jamarcus russell will pan out well.

Todd 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 16:13


Having said that, am I the only one who feels that this guy is not a top 5 NFL draft pick?

I'm with you 100%!


And when he did get off the pass Braylon Edwards dropped it.

Give the guy a break, he just came off an ACL. I think if the Brown's can get somebody to throw him the ball...he'll have a monster year next year!

Ryan Smith 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 16:41


If the Browns draft a quarterback with their first round pick, I'll literally kill myself. We have ruined: Couch, Detmer, Garcia, and soon to be Frye. You could put Joe Montana under center, and it wouldn't matter. Our line can't block, and the receivers are making dumb dumb DUMB plays. I'm a huge Braylon Edwards fan, but his mouth and his sloppy play is making wish he wasn't a UM grad.

For us to take Quinn would kill any chances he has to become a quality quarterback in the NFL. Cleveland needs to draft O' linemen, and secondary, and forget about bringing in a "big name" quarterback. It doesn't matter who you pay to watch: a good quarterback that gets sacked, or a mediocre quarterback get sacked.

1OSUNUT 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 17:44


Cleveland can and should take the best player available if they do not trade the pick. Hear me out before you guys kill me.

The Browns have the most money in the NFL to spend this year on free agents. IF they sign the following players Nate Clement and Michael Doss and the lineman from San Diego and Buffalo that are available that would fill major holes. I would also watch what KC and Texas does with the QB position. I would take Huard, Green or Carr if they are out there.

Then with the #3 pick the Browns could take Peterson, Quinn, the WR from GT (name slips me) , Branch or anybody else for that matter. I would fill the major holes with guys that can play at a high level right now. I would love to trade down to about 10 or 12 and get a additionl second rounder. I would take Ginn to put him opposite of Edwards. That would give you the needed deep threat and free up Winslow and Edwards. Then in the second round look at the RB Bush from Louisville. There will still be great secondary, defensive line, linebackers and offensive linemen available with the second pick you have in the second round. This will allow you to take a flyer on Troy Smith if he is sitting there in the 3rd or 4th round.

Ginn would be a marketing dream for the Browns who need somebody to put asses in the seats. I could picture a stadium full of 7 jerseys. That is something Houston should of thought of before they passed on Young and Bush (still the dumbest thing I ever saw). By not taking Young it cost the Texans tens of millions of dollars. If Savage spends the money wisely then the Browns are in great position to trade down for extra picks and still get a dangerous player. Look at what a difference Hester was for Chicago. Ginn is a better return guy then Hester.

gordify 
Member
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 20:26


Everyone is singing his praises because of the damn bowl game. Am I the only one who watched him over his career???

Finally, some one has spoken the truth. NOBODY SAID HIS NAME UNTIL AFTER THE BOWL GAME! Tell you the truth, I watched a few of his games on tv and he wasn't even mentioned as a great player. Good luck raider nation.

As far as Quinn to the liedowns, hell no! There is no other player than Thomas for the liedowns. I know people want to trade down, but in order to do that, there has to be a team that wants to move up.

editor 
Admin
# Posted: 26 Feb 2007 21:50


Another reason why I think the Lions will draft a RB: They need an impact player NOW. If they draft a QB, it will be for two years down the road, and that will be too long for the current administration, who I'm convinced doesn't have that long. An O lineman or defensive player offers the same results.

That leaves running back and Adrian Peterson.

check 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 00:36


From everything I have read or heard through the different sports media Quinn is free falling. His stock is dropping because there are questions concerning his toughness and his ability to compete. I have seen some mock drafts where he is the third QB taken. I really think the Lions will take Thomas at #2, if they go offense again you will hear the entire state of Michigan groan. They need to build from the inside out, solid O and D line.

The Michigan Man 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 06:34


Cleveland & Detroit fans: you don't want to pick a QB. Exhibit A: Jeff Garcia. He sucked at Cleveland with no line. He sucked at Detroit with no line. He looked great at Philadelphia: why? Because he had PROTECTION.

Draft offensive lineman- either pick the kid from Wisconsin if he is available or trade down and get a couple of late 1st round / early 2nd round prospects. Its not rocket science...

MUFAN2 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 06:50


Finally, some one has spoken the truth. NOBODY SAID HIS NAME UNTIL AFTER THE BOWL GAME! Tell you the truth, I watched a few of his games on tv and he wasn't even mentioned as a great player. Good luck raider nation.


thank you! nobody was really talking about him until after the bowl game. All the sudden he is the next hall of fame quarterback. With his recent meltown with his weight and being out of shape the old jamarcus is coming out. Things are looking bleak for the raiders.

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 07:36


Give the guy a break, he just came off an ACL. I think if the Brown's can get somebody to throw him the ball...he'll have a monster year next year!

Is he trying to catch the ball with his legs? Dropped balls have been a problem for him his entire career. Braylon's bigger problem is that he is a lockeroom cancer.

What would happen in Detroit if Millen drafted another receiver?

Jimmers 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 08:12


Dropped balls have been a problem for him his entire career


Yeah, all of 1 complete healthy season. I agree with Todd. If Cleveland had any sort of QB, Braylon would easily be top 10 in the league.

Don't be a hater!!!

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 08:23


Yeah, all of 1 complete healthy season.

He was healthy in college wasn't he? I remember him dropping a crucial 4th down pass against OSU in the Shoe in '04. Honestly, I would have nothing against the guy if he could keep his mouth shut and catch the ball. Where he went to school is of no importance once somebody puts on the Browns jersey.

Jimmers 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 08:29


Every reciever drops some here and there. I agree with you on the mouth thing, but I think he will outgrow that and become a solid force for you. He has all the ingredients. I think the next couple of seasons will show you, especially if he gets someone else who is solid on the other side.

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 08:45


I definitely agree on the QB. Frye is terrible and is never going to be a starter in the league. I think Brady Quinn would be a good draft for the Browns. If they don't draft him though, I hope the trade down.

Jimmers 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 08:55


I think Quinn would certainly be much better in Cleveland than Detroit or Oakland.

Todd 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 10:37 Edited by: Todd


I would have nothing against the guy if he could keep his mouth shut and catch the ball.

He has to have a big mouth to be heard over Jr.

Brianthomasbuckeye 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 14:11


RB Bush from Louisville

Kid broke his leg in half and has metal screws holding him together. Yup, sounds like someone the Browns would draft. I rather have Marshawn Lynch than Bush, but Lynch wont be there late in the 1st round.

think Quinn would certainly be much better in Cleveland than Detroit or Oakland.

If Brady Quinn got drafted by Oakland I would pee my pants laughing. If Cleveland or Detroit took him I would just feel sorry for the fans.

Rueben Droughns is a quality NFL back. I'll never be convinced that there is a BAD NFL back out there. If you make it to the pros, you have to have serious talent. Browns or Lions could use Peterson, but O-Line has to come first; Thomas can make an immediate impact right off the bat.

Did anybody see Calvin Johnson's run the 40 yard dash? Holy Sh*t!!!! It was like watching a cheetah run. He's going to be a great pro.

Todd 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 14:13


Did anybody see Calvin Johnson's run the 40 yard dash? Holy Sh*t!!!! It was like watching a cheetah run. He's going to be a great pro.

Man, I agree...what an athletic freak!!!

Brianthomasbuckeye 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 14:23


One more thing...

Is anybody convinced that ND's running back Darius Walker is a pro? I can't believe he left early and am seriously feeling sorry for whoever drafts this kid. Wow is he overrated!! If you look at him without pads on his body type is so wrong for the NFL- He should have definately stayed in college. Moreover, what NFL team needs him??? He's not even a top 5 back in college.

check out his JUNIOR YEAR #'s that makes him worthy of going pro...

Darius Walker YDS per game

@Georgia Tech 99
9/9 Penn State 56
9/16 Michigan 25
9/23 @Michigan State 47

9/30 Purdue 146
10/7 Stanford 153
10/21 UCLA 53
10/28 @Navy 103
11/4 North Carolina 86
11/11 @Air Force 153
11/18 Army 162
11/25 @USC 56
LA @LSU 128

He was the only back to even get touches at ND this year too

Rushing Statistics

CAR YDS YPC LONG TD
Darius Walker 255 1267 5.0 39 7
James Aldridge 37 142 3.8 13 0

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 14:26


Come on Brian. He OWNED the Armed Forces and Ivy League.

Todd 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 14:45


Come on Brian. He OWNED the Armed Forces and Ivy League.


LOL!!! Analysts have reported that his combine was a total disappointment! I'm not sold on the combine being the end of all...But, I do think with RB's, it's huge to have a great combine!

Silver Bullet 
Member
# Posted: 27 Feb 2007 15:16


But, I do think with RB's, it's huge to have a great combine!

You've got to wonder where the guy's head is at. They are going to be starting a new QB next year and will have a pretty young offense in general. To me, that screams, lots of running plays. Walker would have been the offense next year.

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