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Sack Lloyd Carr / Fire Lloyd Carr!? / Has Dave Wannsttedt and Pitt solved the "Spread Offense" ???
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Plus 1 
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2007 23:06 Edited by: Plus 1


I was switching back and forth between games, and was busy working, and mostly just "listening" to the games, but it sounded like WVa was having a tough time getting the spread to work for them. I should have taped the game, and watched it later. I'd like to go over it play by play and break down what Pitt was doing.

Rodrriguez said WVa was struggling against Pitt's "D" even before Pat White when out with an injury to his "non throwing hand", and it sure sounded like that was the case. Meanwhile Steve Slaton had only 11 yds on 9 carries. ???


I know Pitt was not getting any respect from anyone all week, and that may be part of it, but to stop the "spread" takes more than just being movtivated by disrespect, especially the "WVa Spread." After all, Rodriguez got the credit for starting all this "spread offense" business.

I know Rutgers beat WVa too, but they are not a 5-7 team !

Blue Tyrufus 
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2007 23:14


Maybe the Pitt coach figured out how to stop the spread...who knows? Does it matter, though? A Lloyd Carr-type-coached Michigan team would've gotten rolled by WVU. Defensive schemes designed to stop off-tackle running plays from the Woody Hayes-era don't meet the need against mobile QBs. The theory of "out executing" the other team doesn't cut it when they're eating up 15 yards at a pop. My pessimism will play out in a few weeks when Michigan gets completely "pantsed" by Florida.

Plus 1 
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2007 23:25


Maybe the Pitt coach figured out how to stop the spread...who knows? Does it matter, though? A Lloyd Carr-type-coached Michigan team would've gotten rolled by WVU. Defensive schemes designed to stop off-tackle running plays from the Woody Hayes-era don't meet the need against mobile QBs. The theory of "out executing" the other team doesn't cut it when they're eating up 15 yards at a pop. My pessimism will play out in a few weeks when Michigan gets completely "pantsed" by Florida.


Yes it does matter, if there is a method to this maddness. Pitt's Defense is'nt as good as some I've seen in the Big Ten, including Michigan's. Maybe what he was doing did'nt necessarily involve a great deal of speed. Maybe it was more technigue and awareness. Someone was "staying at home" in the middle of that defense and was ready everytime their mobile QB made a move, up the middle.

Blue Tyrufus 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 00:30


Sure....I'm sure that's what stopped WVU....technique and "staying home". It takes more than that. I think Chris Graham is a great student athelete but it'd take more than technique and simply staying at home for him to defeat anything close to a spread offense. Technique doesn't beat speed. You need speed to compete with speed, pretty simple. Besides, Lloyd's group of losers (meaning his staff) couldn't put together a game plan to beat a spread offense run by the girl scouts let alone a team like WVU.

1OSUNUT 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 05:50


Sure Pittsburgh figured out the spread offense, the same way the opponents of Oregon did late in the season - hurt the QB. West Virgina and Oregon would of had much different outcomes this year if it was not for the fact the QB's got hurt. If you take White and Dixon away from those teams they are very average. That is the problem with running a spread offense. Most teams have only one special player that can run it correctly and if that person gets hurt your F'ed.

GoBlue21 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 07:50 Edited by: GoBlue21


I agree with you Nut (did I just say that...)! Also, Pitt had the greatest tackling game of their lives, they had shoe string tackles in the open field that saved a lot of yards. Tackling, assignments and technique is very important against the spread, 1 missed tackle and see ya later. OSU didn't run the spread, but technique and assignments killed Michigan on the run. Example: Senior Safety Jamar Adams on Wells long run! What the hell was he doing, he TOTALLY missed the wrong hole, I don't know what he was doing. He just ran up into the back of the defense line when there was a hole 4 foot to his right. He may have got ran over but at least slowed him down to get help to make the tackle. Little mistakes like that make a big difference and it the same as a spread offense. You can't miss tackles and you have to know your assignment. Losing the starting QB is definitely a big blow, you saw how Oregon ended up. WV was still in that game because Pitt wasn't that good, but Pitt played the best defense game all year, they filled their assignments and made tackles!!

Wolvrin704 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 09:18


WVU's spread offense is different than most other spread offenses. Their focus is on the run, not throwing the ball. It should be easier to stop because like UM you know they're going to run. Plus it was a rivalry game, in those all bets are off.

Lamb 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 10:12


Pitt also had a lot of blitzes that WVU didn't capitalize on. I don't think Pitt figured out how to stop the spread. I think this was more of a case of WVU choking under the pressure.

blueblood5 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 10:21


GoBlue21
Tackling, assignments and technique is very important against the spread,

I think GoBlue21 has it! And Michigan's coaches DO NOT TEACH such things very well. It puts us at a tremendous disadvantage against teams we can't out-talent.

iNMiLEs We TRuST23 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 11:40


It also helps that pat white got knocked out of the game and that it was very cold outside and the spread couldn't reach its full potential

OSU is ELITE 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 11:44


Sure Pittsburgh figured out the spread offense, the same way the opponents of Oregon did late in the season - hurt the QB. West Virgina and Oregon would of had much different outcomes this year if it was not for the fact the QB's got hurt. If you take White and Dixon away from those teams they are very average. That is the problem with running a spread offense. Most teams have only one special player that can run it correctly and if that person gets hurt your F'ed.

Thank you. I was starting to get riled up by the incompetence of hte previous comments. WVU couldn't run the spread without their QB. Simple as that.

1OSUNUT 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 12:39


Oregon and West Virgina both had Heisman canidaye QB's running the show. I think we all found out how valuable the QB position is to the spread. Everything is great untill they get hurt or nicked up - then the whole team suffers. I would take a conventional offense that can go 4 and 5 wide at times over the spread anyday.

BlueBobcat 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 12:54


No, Pat White got hurt.....that's what "solves" it. Just like teams that played Oregon without Dennis Dixon "solved" Oregron's spread offense.

Downward Spiral152 
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 13:40


1OSUNUT
i will say it depends way to much on your fast qb having a good game but the spread is still the best O out there my HS in 99 introduced it with Justin Zwick at QB it was more of a run and gun but we had speed all over and would throw to our backs. If we went 2 or 3 wide the TE and RB's were going out for passes so he always had 5 targets, and if everyone was covered he would tuck it and go slow white boy picking up yards because you can't def both the pass and the run with 5 targets

 

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