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Sack Lloyd Carr / Fire Lloyd Carr!? / ++Official Brian Kelly Thread+++
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firelloyd 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:41


Kelly... Chuck Martin

kelly is the one who put GVSU on the map, they have been great ever since, martin still runs kelly's offense

kelly seems to be doing just fine at CMU and Cincinnati without him

gordify 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:41 Edited by: gordify


How about we get Kelly and then Martin to be the DC?

CARR MUST GO NOW 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 17:55


i said in another topic on here that how awesome would this be but it wont happen but just think if it did

miles - head coach
kelly - offensive coach
martin - defensive coach

Detroit Blue 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 18:12


That's D2...NOT MICHIGAN! They cannot hire someone based on winning at D2 level. That is not comparable to a big time program in D1.
Kinda reminds me of something someone named Tressel did before he was hired at OSU

Detroit Blue 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 18:17


Mark Mangino...... the human pork rind.
He might be there for a couple of years until he has a heart attack on the sideline and keels over.

sandman 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 18:17


firelloyd, actually, Jim Harkema put GVSU on the map first. GVSU has been a football power since the late 70's! That aside, I would be happy with Brian Kelly or Chuck Martin taking the reins at Michigan.

m1ch1ganfan 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 23:04


For sake of argument...

Do you think Michigan has better players than Cincy this year? I do. What team has a better rank? What team has less losses? Cincy has beaten every ranked team they played this year except WV where they only lost by 5 points. Sounds like someone has a pretty darn good coach.

Wolvrin704 
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# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 03:28


Brian Kelly, where to start...

Like Nicole I am not convinced he is the man for UM either. He has done well at UC but who's to say Dantonio wouldn't have either since the team had been improving under his leadership.

Some thing's like the issues surrounding his players at CMU that murdered a guy are disturbing and will likely deep 6 his candidacy at UM.

As for his record, yes he won at GVSU but he only won 2 NC and those in his last 2 of 13 seasons. At CMU his best record was 9-4 and he was only 19-16 overall.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 06:32


Cincy has beaten every ranked team they played this year except WV where they only lost by 5 points.

Yet they couldn't beat inferior conference opponents Louisville (5-6) and Pittsburgh (4-6) in critical games. Mark me not convinced.

Honolulu Blue 
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# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 06:52


Chuck Martin is a much better candidate for this job... he has two straight national titles, probably going to win another one this year... he was a defensive coordinator for two other national title teams at GVSU,

since Martin came in as Defensive coordinator, the records for GVSU football:

(DC) 2000: 7-4 With a team full of sophomores who lost their first three games...
(DC) 2001: 13-1 Trip to the Title Game
(DC) 2002: 14-0 National Title
(DC) 2003: 14-1 National Title (AFTER 25 seniors from the 2002 team graduated)
(HC) 2004: 10-3 Regional Finalists
(HC) 2005: 13-0 National Title
(HC) 2006: 15-0 National Title
(HC) 2007: Sitting at 10-0 and making another National Title run.

For the Record... Kelly before Martin:
1991: 9-3
1992: 8-3
1993: 6-3-2
1994: 8-4 Conference Title first round playoff loss (sound familiar?)
1995: 8-3
1996: 8-3
1997: 9-2 Conference title, first round playoff loss (sound familiar?)
1998: 9-2 Conference title, first round playoff loss (sound familiar?)
1999: 5-5 To be fair, the team was mostly freshmen

Also AFTER GVSU without Martin on his staff
CMU
2004: 4-7
2005: 6-5 (5-3 in the MAC)
2006: 10-4 (MAC Championship and a win over MIDDLE TENNESSEE in the Motor City Bowl)

...not all that impressive. The guy has lost at least 2 games per season, and hasn't won any BIG games... unless you call the Motor City Bowl a big game.

Chuck Martin is still my guy. Kelly

Honolulu Blue 
Member
# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 06:56


OOPS... didn't mention that at UC this year he's gone 8-3 and is sitting in a tie for 3rd place in the conference... WOW THIS GUY IS GREAT!

Real women wear Maize N Blue 
Member
# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 08:12


I saw a small clip of an interview with Kelly this morning on ESPN & he flat out said he was not interested in the Michigan job.

Nicole 
Member
# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 09:07


Yeah, he's been saying he's not interested in the UM job since like week 3 of this season....

By the way, today's Cincy paper says that the UC AD is talking this week with Kelly on a contract extension. Looks like UC will do anything to keep Kelly here in Cincy.

CARR MUST GO NOW 
Member
# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 13:33


lets just be honest here, now is any coach going to say they are interested in the job at this point in the season, NO! even miles didnt answer the question and its is dream job

Plus 1 
Member
# Posted: 21 Nov 2007 20:25 Edited by: Plus 1


Do you seen Tressel ever leaving OSU?

Only after Les Miles beats him into retirement...





Watching Tressel Coach, only a fool would believe that "ANYONE" could make a living out of beating Tressel. You might beat him once, but get ready to lose the next time you face him. Two wins in a row vs Tressel by the same team is unique indeed, only one man did that and he retired early, while he was ahead.
Tressel just set a "New BT Record" for consecutive BT wins, and is headed for his 5th BCS Bowl in only 7 years at OSU, and that's a National record . If he stays at OSU anywhere near as long as Woody, he will shatter every OSU record and a lot of BT records as well, in less time than Woody.

ByeByeLloyd 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 11:42


apparently, kelly is talking with UC about his "contract", he's interested.

ByeByeLloyd 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 11:46


tressels records should have an asterisk because of lloyd carrs incompetence, michigan will hire a coach to beat tressel, and he'll be "retiring in 7-8 years ala cooper and carr.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 16:41


Dick Hertzer

UC is loaded with speed, talent, line strength and experience. They have an awesome defense and a great passing game. Whether you like Dantonio or not, he recruited very well and to say UC is a .500 team at best just tells me you don't follow other college football programs that much.


Have you lost your f-ing mind?

I posted this in another thread but here goes:

Here is how Rivals ranked the recruiting classes over the last 5 years.

'07 - '06 - '05 - '04 - '03 - Avg.

Cincy- 89 - 102 - 94 - 80 - 92 - 91
CMU- 88 - 104 - 94 - 108 - 104 - 99
EMU- 85 - 104 - 103 - 97 - 104 - 98
Louisville- 41 - 34 - 45 - 64 - 35 - 43
Pittsburg- 26 - 21 - 38 - 48 - 34 - 33

Over the last 5 years, Cincys average recruiting class is a 91. In what way did baby D recruit well? They were actually doing better in recruiting before Dantonio arrived. Does anyone here actually know what they're talking about? I have never seen this much BS from UM fans, its usually OSU fans making fools of themselves. Everyone repeat after me- WHAT KELLY IS DOING AT CINCY IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!! Just keep repeating that.

If anyone thinks someone has a better track record than Kelly, please let us know who it is and give us a real reason why. Honolulu Blue & W23, this is not the place for moronic comments and wild fantasies about how Martin made Kelly good. Just don't go there, it makes you look stupid because you really have no idea. Don't forget Kelly needed a few years to build the program and Martin still uses Kelly's offense.

LesMiles2UofM 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 18:54


OK, everybody take it easy...while Briam Kelly is a fine coach, we are speaking of [i]Michigan. Kelly's record at CMU was only 19-16. I don't know if he has earned the right to coach at a program of this calibre. But then again, Tressel came from Youngstown State.

LesMiles2UofM 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 19:09


The bottom line is we're Michigan and we'll get it worked out regardless of who we get. You can all see who i'm pulling for, but keep in mind, no Buckeye fans that I know wanted Tressel, and Pete Carroll wasn't the Trojans' first choice, and was considered a long shot as USC initially planned to hire a high-profile coach with recent college experience. Meanwhile Carroll, who had not coached at all in over a year and not coached in the college ranks since 1983, drew terrible comparisons to the outgoing Hackett.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 22:11


Blue is Nice...Sorry but Rivals rankings don't mean much except to those who never have played a down of football. Tony Romo??? Cincinnati has great talent. What you Kelly worshipers don't want to talk about is how he let two important conference matchups (they were favored in both) slip away and destroy an otherwise awesome season. Kelly even came out and said it was his fault for not preparing the team. Yikes! Isn't that your job? You are way overestimating his coaching prowess. He hasn't proved anything yet in Division 1. Don't get me wrong, I like Kelly a lot. He's just not our guy. Deal with it.

LesMilesNextUMCoach 
Member
# Posted: 22 Nov 2007 23:06


Some thing's like the issues surrounding his players at CMU that murdered a guy are disturbing and will likely deep 6 his candidacy at UM.

I think Bill Martin is doing some more detective work on exactly what happened behind the scenes there and what Kelly knew about and when. Probably won't find enough to make him know for sure.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 08:08


Blue is Nice...Sorry but Rivals rankings don't mean much except to those who never have played a down of football. Tony Romo??? Cincinnati has great talent. What you Kelly worshipers don't want to talk about is how he let two important conference matchups (they were favored in both) slip away and destroy an otherwise awesome season. Kelly even came out and said it was his fault for not preparing the team. Yikes! Isn't that your job? You are way overestimating his coaching prowess. He hasn't proved anything yet in Division 1. Don't get me wrong, I like Kelly a lot. He's just not our guy. Deal with it.


I've played plenty of football and I'll say that Rivals and Scout rankings don't mean everything but they are good guidelines. If you feel the urge to throw out a "Rivals rankings don't mean much except to those who never have played a down of football" instead of something concrete and/or sane, please fight the urge. Next thing you know we'll be saying "my dad is better than your dad" or some other stupid arguement and I'm just not that stupid so if thats your goal please find someone else.

In regards to Cincy's talent level. Its not even close to Louisville and Pitt, NOT EVEN CLOSE. You can talk all you want but that fact will never change. Kelly lost two close games to teams that have much more talent. I really could care less if Cincy was favored or not, to me that means nothing.

In regards to Kelly, (only facts here please, for those of you that don't understand, that means no moronic bullsh!t, ie- something that cannot be proved in rational conversation) if you have a better prospect lets hear his name and please give me a reason why he's better than Kelly. If not, thanks for the BS and have a nice holiday.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 10:18


Like many of the poster's on this board, you don't make any compelling arguments for Kelly...just a lot of name calling for someone who points out his lack of accomplishments. Sorry Blue, Kelly is still not going to be our guy no matter how big your support, albeit misguided, is for him.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 10:34


Like many of the poster's on this board, you don't make any compelling arguments for Kelly...just a lot of name calling for someone who points out his lack of accomplishments. Sorry Blue, Kelly is still not going to be our guy no matter how big your support, albeit misguided, is for him.


Thats a nice spin.

I'll ask for a third time- can you name one coaching prospect better than Kelly? If so, can you give any reasons why they would be a better choice? All you are doing is making up BS (literally) as to why this or that candidate is a bad choice.

I have plenty of compelling arguements for Kelly but I'm not trying to make compelling arguements. I simply pointed out how full of sh!t you were. Kelly is a bad coach based on losing to two teams that have three times the talent of his team while having maybe the best season in Cincy history? I need some of what you are smoking.

As of right now, I'd say Kelly is probably the best choice but I'm open to different opinions and I'm looking to discuss other options. I just don't like it when someone lies, twists their supporting facts and then tries to spin things when they get called out. If you want to jump in the discussion, please say something that is not a complete fabrication based on facts other than "I played football so I know".

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 10:58


We disagree on talent level. How does that make me or anyone else full of sh!t? The respective records of each team indicates otherwise. Why is it BS that I point out Kelly lost to inferior conference teams when he was favored in both? That's a simple fact.

Point out one statement where I declared Kelly a bad coach. I'll save you the time...I didn't. Who's fabricating what? Lies, twisting of facts, spin? Are you kidding? You didn't call anyone out except yourself.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 12:28 Edited by: Blue Is Nice


Again, nice spin-

Point out one statement where I declared Kelly a bad coach. I'll save you the time...I didn't. Who's fabricating what? Lies, twisting of facts, spin? Are you kidding? You didn't call anyone out except yourself.

Next time just say "I'm rubber you're glue".

This is getting laughable. What great revelations have you had that would make you think you know better than the recruiting agencies (professionals that get paid to spend all of their time observing and ranking players, some of which actually played football too)? We've all seen Rivals and Scout end up wrong about a player in the end but they are generally not that far off. You're saying Cincy is recruiting better than Louisville and Pitt, knowing that if you average Pitt's last 5 recruiting classes they are ranked at 33rd according to Rivals. In saying that you are going out on a limb and saying Cincy should basically be considered a top 30 team. Give it up man. I've seen some stupid claims on this board before and the top 20 or so have been by OSU fans. Until now, this is top 5 material. Its one thing to say we disagree on recruiting and for you to give a decent reason or two to explain why you know so much more about recruiting than everyone else in the universe but to just say Cincy is recruiting better than Pitt when they are a full 58 spots behind them in the rankings is just silly. It wouldn't think less of you if you showed up at my house in a clown suit and wanted to fight. Maybe next time you could say Cincy is a cajillienbajillien times better than Pitt and Louisville.

If Cincy was favored it would be because they were doing well and the other teams had lost a game or two. Let me fill you on a little secret. Sometimes teame are rated as being better than they really are, use this year in college football as an example. Just because a team was picked to win a certain game doesn't mean they will be viewed as a better team at the end of the year. OSU was picked to beat IL at home and lost. What does that say about Tressel? I'll give you a hint, it means NOTHING. Get over the fact that Cincy was favored against Pitt and Louisville (if they really were), it means nothing when weighing how well Kelly is doing.

I'd still like to hear if you have anything nice to say about any potential coach (4th time I've asked) but I guess we'll just leave it at this:

You played some football so you are better at judging talent than both the Scout and Rivals organizations. You are informing us all that Cincy really has better talent than Pitt and Louisville and Dantonio recruited well (although there is no proof of any kind). Does that sound about right?

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 13:33


You're saying Cincy is recruiting better than Louisville and Pitt

Never said this. Comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.

You are informing us all that Cincy really has better talent than Pitt and Louisville and Dantonio recruited well (although there is no proof of any kind).

I see wins and losses mean nothing to you. Pittsburg will finish 4 -8 this year, Louisville 5-7 or 6-6 and Cincinnati 9-3.

Dantonio made Cincinnati high schools a top priority when recruiting. The first Cincinnati coach in years to do this. That roster is filled with player's from Elder (back to back state champions 02, 03), Moeller, Colerain, Princeton and other Cincinnati area high schools. Is there a better concentration of high school talent in the country? Probably not.

Cincinnati also had an excellent season last year including a breakout win over Rutgers. With most of the starters returning and an upgrade at quarterback in Ben Mauck, they were supposed to be better this year.

Quit sucking Kelly's schlong and get over it. He's not in the running.

Blue Is Nice 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 13:59


You're saying Cincy is recruiting better than Louisville and Pitt

Never said this. Comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.


You did say this:

UC is loaded with speed, talent, line strength and experience. They have an awesome defense and a great passing game. Whether you like Dantonio or not, he recruited very well and to say UC is a .500 team at best just tells me you don't follow other college football programs that much.


And this:


I'm simply not ready to anoint someone who couldn't get his team ready for conference games against lesser opponents as our new boy to lead us to the level of Jim Tressel and OSU.

What exactly defines a "lesser opponent"? Let me help you here, what makes a team lesser or greater is a combination of talent and coaching. I hope there isn't anyone alive that is stupid enough to think a team is lesser because they are having a down year. Wins & losses mean something, but they don't mean everything. Sometimes the better team loses. Imagine that. You said that Pitt and Louisville were lesser teams. How strange, yet another lie.


Quit sucking Kelly's schlong and get over it. He's not in the running.

You seem to be taking this a bit to seriously. If you come here and talk out of your a$$ you should expect someone to call you out. Personally, I'm not even sold on you being a UM fan, I think you may actually be a troll.

Anyway, for the fifth time, with your amazing football knowledge, can you name a candidate better than Kelly and give a sane reason (this is the part where you don't talk out of your a$$) as to why they would be a better choice? Seriously, if you have such a vast amount of college football knowledge you should be able to throw out a name or two. If not, stop talking sh!t and making things up, and just walk away. There is no need for you to embarass yourself further.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 14:25


UC is loaded with speed, talent, line strength and experience. They have an awesome defense and a great passing game. Whether you like Dantonio or not, he recruited very well and to say UC is a .500 team at best just tells me you don't follow other college football programs that much.

I'm sorry. Where in this statement did I say Cincy recruited better than Lousiville and Pittsburgh. I don't see it. Do you? Again, comprehension.


Wins & losses mean something, but they don't mean everything.

You prove your stupidity right there pal. If that's the case, why not lobby to keep Lloyd.

Lesser opponent.

Let's see, 4-8 and 5-7 or 6-6 versus 9-3 in the same conference. That's logical.

I'm only embarrassed for you my friend. I urge you, get off Kelly's nut sack.

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