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m1ch1ganfan 
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# Posted: 19 Nov 2007 23:36


I give him two thumbs up!!!




Lamb 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 06:36


This is exactly the guy Michigan needs. Somebody young with a proven track record over several teams/situations.

firelloyd 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 07:57


y we don't get him is beyond me, the guy wins wherever he goes
i love his offense, shotgun throw the ball
he plays with so much intensity and passion and he plays to win the game

for BRIAN KELLY

Nicole 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 08:10


Just because he had one good winning season in Cincy with someone else's players does not mean he is ready for the big time. I love him at UC as an alum here, but I just don't think he's proven enough yet. His time will come, but I think he needs a few years still.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 08:33


I agree with Nicole on this one. By the way, what's the status with Chris Perry?

Nicole 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 08:37


Perry is still on the PUP list, but is practicing with the team. I have heard that he's almost ready to start practicing full speed with pads. All good signs.
Another UM player on the Bengals - Leon Hall - Update on him in todays Cincy paper - He is officially a starter! He's playing great this year.

BBA1994 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 09:22 Edited by: BBA1994


Just because he had one good winning season in Cincy with someone else's players does not mean he is ready for the big time. I love him at UC as an alum here, but I just don't think he's proven enough yet. His time will come, but I think he needs a few years still.

With all due respect to Nicole, that seems to be a rather ignorant statement. Kelly won 2 national championships at D2 GVSU, then went on to CMU and won the MAC within 3 years.....at freakin CMU. Then went to CU and took the team (with big baby Dantonio's players) to a better record. The man can coach and gets the best out of his players. He always has a tough defense and has a modern offense. The only problem I would foresee is that he would have to adjust his offense to account for Mallett and the lack of QB mobility until he can bring in his own guy. He will hit the big time shortly and if Michigan doesn't hire him, he will lead CU to a BCS game within 2 more years.

Nicole 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 09:40


Kelly won 2 national championships at D2 GVSU

That's D2...NOT MICHIGAN! They cannot hire someone based on winning at D2 level. That is not comparable to a big time program in D1.

then went on to CMU and won the MAC within 3 years.....at freakin CMU

Again, it's the MAC. Not a big time program.

All I am saying is that he needs some time. We still don't know that much about him. It is just my opinion that he still has a lot to prove. And personally, I don't want someone who is not yet a proven head coach to be coaching Michigan. I would rather have someone with a proven track record.

Nicole 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 09:43


On that note, these are the same reasons I would not want UM to hire the GVSU coach everyone is talking about.

BBA1994 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:23


All I am saying is that he needs some time. We still don't know that much about him. It is just my opinion that he still has a lot to prove. And personally, I don't want someone who is not yet a proven head coach to be coaching Michigan. I would rather have someone with a proven track record.

Again, with all due respect to you Nicole, your statements are now beyond ignorant and bordering on senile. He has proven himself as a great coach everywhere he has been. GVSU....big time winner. CMU......wins the MAC in 3 years (understand that nobody every wins at CMU). Cincinnati.....better record than UM in his first year. He's a winner and has a "proven track record."

Lamb 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:26


Nicole, your vision is limited. Jim Tressel was not proven before Ohio State. By your definition, Urban Meyer would not have been proven before Florida. Meyer was a MAC coach (Bowling Green), then one year at as a WAC coach (Utah) before Florida. Hmm...Sounds like a similar path as Brian Kelly. This is how these boys great to the big time...by showing progress at several schools.

Nicole 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:32


But the point is if UM can hire someone who is already a coach at a "big time" program, why would they not?

Lamb 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:34


I guess my point is that by hiring someone who is already a coach at a "big time" program, you miss out on the true coaching gems, such as Tressel, Meyer, Donovan (basketball) as examples. The "big time" school that takes a chance on these guys normally get them forever. Do you seen Tressel ever leaving OSU?

CincoDeMaizo 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:37


Do you seen Tressel ever leaving OSU?

Only after Les Miles beats him into retirement...

Nicole 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:40


You both make good points...there is just something about Kelly that I'm not sold on yet. I would like to see him get his own players at UC then see what he can do with them. I don't think he's right for UM right now. But hey, we're all here for the same goal, a winning UM team, so we can agree to disagree on Kelly!

Wolverine23 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 10:43


In college football, coaching is coaching. I honestly don't think the level of coaching is any different between the MAC and Sunbelt, DIvision 1AA and Division II.

The problem with a proven coach at a big time D1 program is that they probably won't leave for another job,

Also, I'm sure OSU wanted a proven coach at a big time program back when they fired Cooper. They wanted Mason or Belotti. No one had heard of Tressel. And look at how well Tressel has worked out for them. It just goes to show that coaching is coaching when your dealing with college aged kids regardless of the conference or division level. Its not like the difference between coaching mature already developed pros, vs coahcing any college aged kids at any division level. Top be quite honest, I don't think Charlie Weis would be doing well with his own players at GVSU because he doesn't know how to work with college aged kids just as many pro coaches don't.

If OSU has gotten Bellotti or Mason, I don't think they would be doing as well as they are with Tressel.

That's why I like Chuck Martin. He is our version of Tressel in the making. He also wears a sweater vest. If Michigan footbalkl wants to take the next step and become elite, I think we need to take a chance on a young dynamic coach with proven success as a head coach at a lower level.


I think hiring a head coach with proven success at the lower level is a lot less risky than hiring an assistant at a big time program with no Head coaching experience or gosh forbid hiring a highly sought NFL coordinator with no college head coaching experience.

CARR MUST GO NOW 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 13:08


lamb
actually you were wrong about tressel

Prior to coming to Ohio State, Tressel spent 15 seasons as the head coach at Youngstown State, where he also served for a period of time as Athletics Director, Tressel was one of the most respected Division I-AA coaches in America. His years there were ripe with success, the Penguins winning four national championships and qualifying for the Division I-AA playoffs a remarkable 10 times. During his stay at YSU, he compiled an overall record of 135-57-2 and was a four-time pick as the Division I-AA National Coach of the Year.

Lamb 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 13:29 Edited by: Lamb


Carr Must Go Now:

You misunderstood. I was referring to the fact that Tressel was not proven at a "big time" program, as defined by Nicole. I agree Tressel was proven on a I-AA level, just as Brian Kelly and Chuck Martin are proven on a Div II level. I would be happy to have either of these guys as the next Michigan coach.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 14:04


BBA1994 and Lamb...I think you're both overlooking some crucial facts about Kelly this year.

Most notably, his inability to win the big games at home. Looking back at this season, they put themselves in a terrible position by losing two crucial games back to back (Louisville at home and Pittsburgh on the road). I watched both of those games and UC was terribly flat and outcoached in both. Sure West Virginia is a great team but again, UC looked ill prepared to handle White and the WVU offense.

UC has more talent than a lot of people realize and should only have one loss. Kelly does have a lot to prove but he needs to prove it in Cincinnati before anyone hands over the keys to one of the most coveted college coaching jobs. So far, he hasn't done it.

BBA1994 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 14:16


Don't be silly Dick! Take a look at his track record. He's been a big-time winner everywhere he's been. Right now he's trying to win at Cincy with big baby Dantonio's players and he is winning at a better clip than they ever have at Cincy. Cincy should be a .500 team at best this year but he's got them well above that.

bluefan 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 14:18


Kelly
Schiano
Chuck Martin
Miles
Meyer

There's my top 5.

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 14:34


Cincy should be a .500 team at best this year but he's got them well above that.

Quite possibly the dumbest statement to ever appear on this board.

UC is loaded with speed, talent, line strength and experience. They have an awesome defense and a great passing game. Whether you like Dantonio or not, he recruited very well and to say UC is a .500 team at best just tells me you don't follow other college football programs that much.

How do explain a blowout victory against Oregon State, a convincing victory over South Florida on the road and a dominating performance against a very good Connecticut team? You're logic is flawed. Kelly lost to Louisville and West Virginia at home and Pittsburgh on the road. Only the West Virginia game was Cincy not favored.

I'm simply not ready to anoint someone who couldn't get his team ready for conference games against lesser opponents as our new boy to lead us to the level of Jim Tressel and OSU.

BBA1994 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 14:47


Don't be silly Dick! UC is neither loaded with talent nor speed. You sir are a moron if you are even serious about that statement. Kelly has taken an inferior team with inferior talent and pushed them to the top tier of the Big East. Holy cripes I can't even believe I'm in this discussion with you because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

gordify 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 14:51 Edited by: gordify


Kelly
Schiano
Chuck Martin
Miles
Meyer

There's my top 5.


No way, here's mine.

Dennis Erickson.............best XO's coach in the last 25 years.
Bill Belichick.....hey, OSU has the sweatervest, we can have the sweatshirt.
Mark Mangino...... the human pork rind.
Gary Moeller.........of course he'll have to run stairs at 6 in the morning first.
Terry Bradshaw... now that would make for some funny halftime interviews

Dick Hertzer 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:06


BBA1994

Just as I suspected. Not one compelling point to refute a factual post.

Guarantee the powers to be see this too and no way Kelly even gets an interview.

Wolverine23 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:24 Edited by: Wolverine23


I agree with Dick Hertzer.

Would Brian Kelly have had the success he had at GVSU without Chuck Martin? It seems that Brian Kelly has had at least 3 losses every year he has coached without Chuck Martin as his DC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelly_%28coach%29

http://gvsulakers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/martin_chuck00.html

And not only did Chuck Martin make Brian Kelly look like a great coach, Chuck Martin ha shimself proven to be a great coach by having the same success as a head coach that he did as a DC.

bluefan 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:25


Gary Moeller.........of course he'll have to run stairs at 6 in the morning first.

Awesome.

CARR MUST GO NOW 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:30


gordify

dude are you feeling ok today? if you are being serious then i say you need to take some meds

gordify 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:32


I think I'll get some meds in the 12oz kind.
I mean what I said about Dennis Erickson though...........gulp

Honolulu Blue 
Member
# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:39


Kelly... Chuck Martin

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