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blue guy
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 14:00
If people want to discuss the h-back...the least you can do is be accurate about the situation
Here's the thing. An H-back is EXTREMELY important to a zone running scheme (and as mentioned before -- Michigan implemented the zone scheme last year).
During their first year Michigan ran primarily what is called "outside zone" or the "stretch" play. That play call can be run with a single back or with an h-back and a running back.
This spring Michigan has been working to implement the second phase of the zone scheme...the inside zone. Michigan ran some inside zone last year -- but they were hampered because they didn't have a true h-back. They were making due with converted FBs or TEs.
If someone says -- look no h-back...I would say "correct -- because they don't have one". If someone says there is no need for an h-back in the type of offense Michigan runs -- well then, then are either stupid or lying.
A more accurate portrayal would be -- the implementation of the offensive scheme that Michigan has chosen was limited last year due to the lack of a true h-back.
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michagain
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 16:40
As usual, I don't know the difference between an H-back and an H-bomb, but if Carr leaves, I vote for blue guy to be the next coach. Just promise us you will never, ever wear a sweatervest.
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R Madia
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 18:45
Thanks everyone especially GoBlueGo. I let my son read your response. He wasn't aware of the great past Coach Carr has and will continue to have. I know he is ready to make a decision soon and I hope this information helps him feel good about the decision he is ready to make.
thanks again everyone
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R Madia
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 18:47
By the way, Blueguy, great response. I didn't understand what you said, but my son did and he liked what he read. He was to be that H-back you describe.
Thanks!!!!
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Blue Is Nice
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 19:28
Thats right folks, blue guy rocks!
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gordify
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 20:23
don't pay any attention to the many morons on this site who bash Lloyd Carr or Mike DeBord. I've met both personally over the years on many occasions at various functions, and they both struck me as honest, caring, well-intentioned people
Hell, I'm a honest, caring, well intentioned person. That must make me a good football coach.
I'll continue to bash Lloyd and DeBord until they get results.
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Blue Is Nice
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 20:36
gordify
I'm not saying we should't tell it like it is but maybe you could tone your scorn down just a bit when the mother of a highly sought after UM recruit comes here for a few answers. If you really are a UM fan and not just some OSU fan trying to make UM look bad, wouldn't you think that makes sense?
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Detroit Blue
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 21:06
I'm not saying we should't tell it like it is but maybe you could tone your scorn down just a bit when the mother of a highly sought after UM recruit comes here for a few answers. If you really are a UM fan and not just some OSU fan trying to make UM look bad, wouldn't you think that makes sense?
If that was the mother of a highly sought after recruit, I would think the last place she would go for info and advice on Um is this site. Who the hell are we to tell her where her son should or shouldn't go.
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Blue Is Nice
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2007 21:17
If that was the mother of a highly sought after recruit, I would think the last place she would go for info and advice on Um is this site. Who the hell are we to tell her where her son should or shouldn't go.
Who said anything about telling anyone where to go? On that note, do you want the best recruits to come to UM? Do you think UM has alot to offer young men and women who are looking for the college that best fits them?
My point is don't make the rest of us look bad by acting like a 14 year old. Try to look at the big picture. I believe that was the mother of a UM recruit and I for one would like very much to see Christian Wilson in a UM uniform.
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tiredoflosing
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 07:59
If that was the mother of a highly sought after recruit, I would think the last place she would go for info and advice on Um is this site.
my experiences on MBs over the years have left me tainted and I would have to agree. To be honest, I wouldnt be suprised to find out its actually a group of frat guys at OSU laughing their *** off after every post.
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Todd
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 12:14
I wouldnt be suprised to find out its actually a group of frat guys at OSU laughing their *** off after every post.
Ah...let em' laugh! The laughing will stop on November 17th!
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gordify
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 14:28
I'm not saying we should't tell it like it is but maybe you could tone your scorn down just a bit when the mother of a highly sought after UM recruit comes here for a few answers. If you really are a UM fan and not just some OSU fan trying to make UM look bad, wouldn't you think that makes sense?
Wow, now thats a nice boost to my ego. I didn't know I had that much influence on Michigan recruiting. HAHA. If I knew I was so important, I would've opened a strip club next to Ronald Johnson's house and gave him his own VIP room.
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Detroit Blue
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 21:56
My point is don't make the rest of us look bad by acting like a 14 year old. Try to look at the big picture. I believe that was the mother of a UM recruit and I for one would like very much to see Christian Wilson in a UM uniform.
Still, do you really think what we say to a supposed family member of a recruit, will have any influence in their decision. That's like asking my dentist where I should I should go to get my car worked on.
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goblue
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 23:18
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to find out its actually a group of frat guys at OSU laughing their *** off after every post.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Tressel and his staff posting this.
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bigboyBlue
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# Posted: 11 Jul 2007 11:47
Wow, didn't know y'all had been recruiting. It doesn't really matter whether this person is authentic or not (I doubt any parent posting here would reveal their kid's name anyways) , this is still a pretty good discussion. I'm honestly a bit confused between Hback and fullback, since some sources use the terms interchangeably. I always thought the fullback is more of a blocking guy than a ball carrier. And if that is the case, does the Hback position necessiate a good Fback as well? I know it sounds like a stupid question, but any clarification would be nice.
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UM Knife
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# Posted: 11 Jul 2007 12:05
Basically, the same thing, except that HB will line up as a TE or in the slot quite often.
Joe Gibbs is probably one of the best examples of a coach that uses an HB. Chris Cooley (who played TE in college) plays the H-back for the Redskins now.
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ElnoLewis
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 09:38
Yeah, and them Redskins is just killing people with it.
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UM Knife
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 10:00
Dont look at wins and losses. Cooley's production since entering the league has been better than anyone expected. Also, look back to the 80's teams that used one tail back and an H-back. They had some success (ummmm 3 Superbowl wins in 4 appearances).
"I'm smart...not stupid like everyone says..." Fredo Corleone
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R Madia
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 20:02
I am seeing more blogs saying Carr is going to retire. Is this just speculation or is this rumor from a reputable source? (If that's possible 
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gordify
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 20:09
We can only hope.
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R Madia
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 20:09
To clear up the above speculation, I am Christian's mom and I am new to the recruiting process. I have no shame in mentioning my son's name and I have always taught him to back everything he says and not be ashamed to have an opinion as long as your willing to back it.
To clarify, I did ask coaches about the position, but aren't they supposed to tell me what I want to hear??? I figured go to the next best source, people who have nothing to lose by giving me their opinions. Right????
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R Madia
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 20:55
I have met him personally, he seems like a very nice guy, but I understand that has nothing to do with being a winning coach. Why do you want to see him go? I like the tradition Michigan represents.
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gjp
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 21:06
Most of us do not want to see him go.
And remember, the loudest voices are the unhappiest. You will hear more from detractors than supporters - especially in this forum.
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bigboyBlue
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 00:47
To clear up the above speculation, I am Christian's mom and I am new to the recruiting process.
Fair enough. Obviously you also understand why some might be speculative. It doesn't really matter I guess. This thread is definitely causing a stir over at mblog (blogspot), especially '14 year old' gordify, hehe.
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bigboyBlue
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 00:57
And remember, the loudest voices are the unhappiest. You will hear more from detractors than supporters - especially in this forum.
And 2 posts into the forum (on this thread) make you an authority on the regulars here? Please do a little background browsing before calling everyone a detractor, things are not that simple. Let me guess, you're a recruiter and a member of the UM football staff....
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mgoblue22
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 03:22
Just like Bo said "Michigan will be coached by a Michigan Man", plain and simple. If your son makes the decision to join the 'leaders and best', he will not be disappointed. The program will continue to thrive; talent is being stock piled and you cannot deny the track record of an elite program such as Michigan. Rutgers, Clemson, Va Tech and UNC are all great places; however, the degree and prestige that accompanies a graduate of the University of Michigan is hard to ignore. Not to mention the BCS exposure that could only boost your son's potential draft status down the road (not to jump the gun, but I know you've got to look ahead). Good luck in what will be a well though out decision and I wish your son the best in whatever direction he chooses (as long as it's blue )
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gjp
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 07:16
BBB,
That is inherently flawed logic that you use. For one, you assume that posting twice is some sort of indicator as to how long I've been cruising these forums, reading and getting to know the participants here. Simple fact: I've read for much, much, much longer than I've posted, not to mention that I've read the entire the thread ("on this thread"). Tell me, do number of posts have a direct correlation with quantity-of-material-read?
Secondly, atleast half of my previous post was pertaining to human nature. Staticians, pollsters, etc all recognize that you have to have "controls" for sample voices. One of the many reasons is the simple fact that those who are the most unsatisfied are the ones who want/need to be heard. Those who are content have very little to say; materialism/post-materialism; blah blah blah.
Not to mention the damn forum is called "Sack Carr?!" Even Brian @ mgoblog acknowledges that is a less-than-ideal forum for a discussion with a recruit's mom. I don't suppose you'd accept him as more of "an authority on the regulars here"?
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R Madia
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 08:16
If it helps, I tried to post to the mgo site and couldn't figure it out. As I stated, I'm new to the whole blog phenomenom. When I googled, this was the next blog on the list.
I am surprised though, my questions sparked such conversation. I pay no attention to the blog name being "Sack Carr", I was more interested in personal opinion. We get plenty of it here in PA.
Am I wrong in thinking if the Coaches who are recruiting you leave and the new person comes in and has a different game plan or philosophy on the game a new recruit may have cause to be concerned, especially a hybrid position like H-Back? Not every team uses one from what I have been told.
Any thoughts?
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gjp
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 08:20
and also BBB:
I say this with "all due respect". Okay?
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UM Knife
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 09:30
R Madia
I think those concerns could be raised with just about any program in America. The nice thing about H-back is no matter what system is run, the "H-Back" would fit nicely into both the FB or TE positions (which are used by just about everyone except proabably June Jones in Hawaii.
I pointed to it earlier, but Chris Cooley the H-Back for the Skins was a TE in college. Plenty of teams would trade for him to be a TE. I think the point is that your son will probably excel at all 3 offensive positions.
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